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DNA tests show Subway sandwiches could contain just 50% chicken

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Re: DNA tests show Subway sandwiches could contain just 50% chicken

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You win the NASA award for mixing metric and imperial in the most nonsensical way.

It's not that crazy. Canada is metric, but meat is usually labeled in ounces in restaurants.

Some products just has it by tradition, even in the most metric parts of the world like Scandinavia we still do wheel sizes and screen sizes in inches. It's a bit weird but I assume everyone buys camera lenses in mm too out of tradition.

I was really surprised when I went to Australia and found tv's sold with centimeter diagonals.

Oz weights on steaks is not used outside North America though I'm quite sure.

Re: DNA tests show Subway sandwiches could contain just 50% chicken

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They also make wraps and salads with that chicken.

Or just put the chicken on the outside of the sandwich. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Down_(sandwich)

Haha here's one I've had recently:

https://www.tacobell.com/food/new/naked-chicken-chalupa

Re: DNA tests show Subway sandwiches could contain just 50% chicken

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I will often order a hamburger and leave the bun aside. The bun is just filler. I've done the same with other kinds of sandwiches.

Who eats your bun?

I order the burger as is, because I don't want to annoy the waiter or the cook, or me. I also don't eat the lettuce or the pickle, if they happen to come with. I'm not going to go down the list of what I will or won't accept for a burger and a 30 minute relationship.

I don't know what you're getting at.

Re: DNA tests show Subway sandwiches could contain just 50% chicken

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Carbs are like Lego blocks. The singular blocks are called "sugars" and include things such as fructose (fruit sugar) and blood sugar. When fructose or glucose enter the digestive system, they are readily processed and enter the bloodstream as glucose. Here, cells take up as much glucose as they can, which can turn into a problem if decades-long oversaturation continues unabated. The only way cells can block glucose…

>When fructose or glucose enter the digestive system, they are readily processed and enter the bloodstream as glucose. Here, cells take up as much glucose as they can An excellent reason to have as much muscle as possibile so all these delicious carbs go into making your muscles look nice and full. Mmmm I love carbs. I also hate it when people try and make carbs look evil, it's so necessary for me. My daily maintenan…

Carbs do have a purpose, of course. They are just a source of energy and by themselves completely neutral. There are only two problems with them: the way we eat them and the way our body uses them.

In nature, carbs are never found isolated. They always come with dietary fiber and in varying degrees of complexity. But in processed food, carbs are artificially designed to be as simple as possible.

From bread and pastry to candy and fruit, the food we eat has been scientifically engineered to contain the lowest common denominator. Food companies see nothing wrong with this: they want every Fig Newton to be the exact same, but this ultimately means depriving us of variety of tastes and nutrients that naturally should exist in food. This hurts us in the long run tremendously.

Even the fruit we eat and which is arguably the source of healthiest carbs we can find has no resemblance to what is found in nature. Bananas are a fine example of this.

The variety of bananas commercially available in the world has been reduced to a single variety: Cavendish. From Ecuador to Estonia, you can walk into any store and find the exact same bananas, right down to shape, size and color.

If you open those bananas up and take a bite, you will notice they have no seeds. How do they reproduce then? They don't: they are sterile, genetically engineered clones of one another. There are enormous banana plantations all around the world, and they are all growing the exact same clone of the exact same plant.

Have you ever heard of a term "banana republic" and chuckled a bit? The term has a grave history, as it denotes a country where the banana cartel (such a thing does exist) established a puppet government and shifted the entire economy towards a single commodity: bananas. But, as it turns out, this is completely unsustainable in the long run.

The problem with growing genetic clones of any plant on a global scale is that an ecosystem is only as healthy as it is diverse. Once you create uniformity for the sake of marketability, the entire structure is vulnerable to a single agent of catastrophic failure. In this case, the culprit has a perfectly fitting ominous name: Fusarium oxysporum aka Tropical Race 4.

The description of this fungus reads like the description of the Terminator: it is indestructible, has no mercy and never stops. When this fungus that's been honing its banana-slaying skills for millennia reaches the sterile, cloned Cavendish plantations, the effect is utterly devastating. Every single plant gets infected, wilts and then the fungus lies in wait in the soil for decades, rendering it toxic to bananas. For now, the majority of banana plantations are safe while customers remain blissfully unaware of the entire fracas.

Now to consider carbs as a source of energy. Carbs are like rocket fuel for the body. But, if they are taken into the body but aren't actually used, they start causing problems.

I do want to point out the abundance of fat in the modern diet. It is needed in minute quantities in our diet, and yet we're swimming in it. Ideal diet for a bodybuilder or an athlete would have 50% carbs, 45% protein and 5% or less fat.

Re: DNA tests show Subway sandwiches could contain just 50% chicken

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Carbs are like Lego blocks. The singular blocks are called "sugars" and include things such as fructose (fruit sugar) and blood sugar. When fructose or glucose enter the digestive system, they are readily processed and enter the bloodstream as glucose. Here, cells take up as much glucose as they can, which can turn into a problem if decades-long oversaturation continues unabated. The only way cells can block glucose…

That was enjoyable to read, do you have a link to other articles you've posted, like a blog or something?

The best stuff I ever wrote is here:

https://zmiblog.wordpress.com

Though I haven't gotten the habit of writing regularly there.

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To give American grocery store sliced white bread some texture, just toast it! Still, essentially American bread is just bread , that is, made almost entirely just from flour, water, yeast, and salt. Maybe the main difference is that with machines the dough is kneaded a lot and, then, permitted to rise (have the yeast grow) a lot. Commonly can also get wheat bread that has some whole wheat flour and typically is not…

Carbs are like Lego blocks. The singular blocks are called "sugars" and include things such as fructose (fruit sugar) and blood sugar. When fructose or glucose enter the digestive system, they are readily processed and enter the bloodstream as glucose. Here, cells take up as much glucose as they can, which can turn into a problem if decades-long oversaturation continues unabated. The only way cells can block glucose…

This is almost right, but still manages to be dangerously wrong.

Frustose and glucose are very different, one never gets converted to the other. All cells can and will take up and metabolize glucose, but only the liver can import and metabolize fructose. Metabolically, fructose does not behave like a carbohydrate, but like alcohol.

Insulin affects mostly fat, muscle and liver cells. They react by storing the excess glucose, which they do harmlessly. Excess glucose does not cause insulin tolerance; fructose seems to do that, thought I don't remember the whole mechanism.

Neither chitin nor lignin are carbohydrates, lignin isn't even chemically related. Even ruminants can't digest lignin, only a few funghi can do that.

At any rate, the bottom line is that frustose is a problem, glucose isn't, and lumping both under "carbs" confuses matters. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM for lots of details. (But don't take Dr. Lustig's words at face value---check other sources. Most of it is uncontroversial.)

Re: DNA tests show Subway sandwiches could contain just 50% chicken

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Who eats your bun?

I order the burger as is, because I don't want to annoy the waiter or the cook, or me. I also don't eat the lettuce or the pickle, if they happen to come with. I'm not going to go down the list of what I will or won't accept for a burger and a 30 minute relationship. I don't know what you're getting at.

That you are incredibly wasteful if you throw away 50% of the calories you buy. Go to a place that sells a naked burger without lettuce if that's what you want.

Re: DNA tests show Subway sandwiches could contain just 50% chicken

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Having it be entirely chicken. Google how they make chicken nuggets for McDonald's.

Doesn't seem that bad: http://www.businessinsider.com/how-chicken-mcnuggets-are-mad... The "chicken skin for flavoring" part isn't especially appealing, but chicken skin is fat+protein, just like the rest of the nuggets.

> The "chicken skin for flavoring" part isn't especially appealing

How is that un-appealing? The best part of a roasted chicken is the skin.

Re: DNA tests show Subway sandwiches could contain just 50% chicken

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Seriously, what bread besides Irish soda bread can you not easily compact to a third it's size?

The German bread that he is talking about is probably this: https://www.amazon.com/Mestemacher-Bread-Whole-17-6-Ounce-Pa... It is incredibly dense, like a brick. A slice is more like a non-crunchy cracker. I like it because it doesn't seem like it ever goes stale. (Or maybe it does and the texture doesn't change?) It is good but you would have to be an extreme German nationalist to enjoy it more than a good French ba…

Yes, something like that, but this shop version is not good. You want it fresh from a baker, and then it will be a little bit less dense and have a much more pleasant texture. It is excellent the day it was made and the next and then stays okayish for about 3 more days, when stored in a paper bag or a wooden box. It keeps a bit longer in plastic but will go moldy instead of dry. But the way it goes dry does not fit the word 'stale' imho.

If you put it in a toaster it will still be good after 5 days. The time also depends on the flour - rye keeps longer than wheat, and things like a generous amount of sunflower seeds help.

Baguette is good too, but is only good for like half a day. And I feel better if I go for the darker bread most of the time.

Re: DNA tests show Subway sandwiches could contain just 50% chicken

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> Most food labeling in the US is done this way. Gross measures (total volume, weight, etc) are in imperial while the nutrition facts are in metric. So milk will say, serving size 12 Oz, protein XX g. Both net contents and serving size include metric measures. "Food labels printed must show the net contents in both metric (grams, kilograms, milliliters, liters) and U.S. Customary System (ounces, pounds, fluid ounces)…

Except the metric serving sizes are very inconvenient unless you like to do long division in your head. For example, I have two yogurts, one has 18g carbs per 170g serving, the other has 34 g per 227g serving. Quick, how much more carbs would I have if I ate the same amount? It's a lot easier to tell if you know one is 6oz and the other is 8oz, or if the servings were designed in metric sizes (e.g. 150g and 200g).

Actually they're very useful if you're weighing your food with a scale. A good food scale lets you work in both metric and imperial units, and usually provides mass in grams.
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