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DNA tests show Subway sandwiches could contain just 50% chicken

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Re: DNA tests show Subway sandwiches could contain just 50% chicken

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Ack just a few months back I started getting IBS symptoms and figured out I'm intolerant to soy, dairy and some spicy stuff. I end up having make a lot of stuff myself because I can't trust what is made in restaurants.

I'm having similar issues. How did you figure it out? Is there a test, or just elimination?

Sadly elimination is the only way. I started having bowel issues and my kidney health started plummeting (I have kidney problems due to autoimmune condition but that is another story.) so I eliminated everything but the basic stuff from my diet till my bowel movements are normal. Next I added things one by one and waited a few days to see if any change. It is tricky because sometimes there is a lag from when you take something to when the effects are felt. The funny thing is an year ago I didn't have sensitivity to any of these items. I've also paid hundreds of dollars for various tests to see if I can identify these intolerances but none are any good.

Re: DNA tests show Subway sandwiches could contain just 50% chicken

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What would make a better protein "filler" for mechanically-separated chicken? Almonds?

Read up on what "mechanically separated" poultry/pork actually is , and you may never eat it again. I don't.

mechanically separate meat is a paste-like meat product produced by forcing pureed or ground beef, pork, turkey or chicken, under high pressure through a sieve or similar device to separate the bone from the edible meat tissue.[1]

What is unappealing about that? It's still meat, just finely ground. And if you're keen on not wasting meat, it's a great way to get the last bit of meat off a carcass.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanically_separated_meat

Re: DNA tests show Subway sandwiches could contain just 50% chicken

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> Bread is really terrible for you Maybe for some people. But we don't have the nutritional science to say this definitively, let alone universally.

And let me just note that what the English-speaking world considers bread is an abomination. Sincerely, a German. (Seriously, if you can compact it easily to a third of the size, that's just wrong. And don't get me started on the strange interior.)

Seriously, what bread besides Irish soda bread can you not easily compact to a third it's size?

Re: DNA tests show Subway sandwiches could contain just 50% chicken

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To give American grocery store sliced white bread some texture, just toast it! Still, essentially American bread is just bread , that is, made almost entirely just from flour, water, yeast, and salt. Maybe the main difference is that with machines the dough is kneaded a lot and, then, permitted to rise (have the yeast grow) a lot. Commonly can also get wheat bread that has some whole wheat flour and typically is not…

Typically it has a significant amount of sugar (like, considerably more sugar than salt, 1 gram or more per slice). Also lots of dough conditioners which are added for various reasons. I know I've eaten commercial bread with enough lactylate ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactylate ) in it to give me some pretty awful gastrointestinal symptoms. My test wasn't blinded, but the effect was dramatic enough. At the momen…

> Typically it has a significant amount of sugar (like, considerably more sugar than salt, 1 gram or more per slice).

Contrary to graycat's ingredient list, sugar is a key ingredient of nearly every leavened bread recipe. About 40g/loaf is the typical amount (about three tablespoons). I would be very surprised if you could find a bread recipe that doesn't have about that much sugar, unless it is specifically trying to work around sugar.

Re: DNA tests show Subway sandwiches could contain just 50% chicken

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> it's the only food place open in SF SOMA late night Wow that surprises me. I would have though SOMA would have been one of the best places in the world for people with disposable income leaving startups late and wanting to buy food on the way home.

SOMA is the office district, with some apartment buildings added. The mission, china town and others is where there is more culture and such.

> SOMA is the office district, with some apartment buildings added.

Warehouse district is more accurate. And SoMa has shaped much of San Francisco culture. Maybe not the way we see it now, but without SoMa, many geeks and artists may not have settled here in the 90s.

When you think of loft living in San Francisco, you think of SoMa. Dance parties? 1015, Mezzanine, Cat Club, DNA Lounge, etc. Spaces for who don't partake in vanilla sex? Folsom Street, Power Exchange, Wicked Grounds.

And with all this, it's still surprising there's no seedy diner in SoMa for people to sober up in at 2am.

Re: DNA tests show Subway sandwiches could contain just 50% chicken

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And let me just note that what the English-speaking world considers bread is an abomination. Sincerely, a German. (Seriously, if you can compact it easily to a third of the size, that's just wrong. And don't get me started on the strange interior.)

To give American grocery store sliced white bread some texture, just toast it! Still, essentially American bread is just bread , that is, made almost entirely just from flour, water, yeast, and salt. Maybe the main difference is that with machines the dough is kneaded a lot and, then, permitted to rise (have the yeast grow) a lot. Commonly can also get wheat bread that has some whole wheat flour and typically is not…

Carbs are like Lego blocks. The singular blocks are called "sugars" and include things such as fructose (fruit sugar) and blood sugar.

When fructose or glucose enter the digestive system, they are readily processed and enter the bloodstream as glucose. Here, cells take up as much glucose as they can, which can turn into a problem if decades-long oversaturation continues unabated. The only way cells can block glucose from entering is by becoming resistant to a key that unlocks the entryway, insulin. Thus, diabetes develops.

In any case, carbs can become extremely long chains, forming things such as chitin, the sturdy outer carapace of insects. If you ever failed to squash a cockroach, now you know why.

A type of these complex sugars aka polysaccharids is called "fiber". Again, this includes things such as cellulose, which you can see if you tear apart a piece of paper, or lignine, which are the strands seen when you break a branch off of a tree.

We can't fully digest this fiber, but there are herbivores and especially ruminants who can. For example, cows have a special digestive system consisting of several stomachs, where they chew some plants, digest them, chew them again, digest some more and so on.

Now for why that's important for humans. In our digestive system, the dietary fiber becomes partially digested, turning into a soft gel that travels down our 30-foot digestive tract and helps push things along. To date, the entirety of our medicine hasn't created a medication that cleans the digestive system with same efficiency as dietary fiber. Cats and dogs have a relatively simple digestive tract; they can live off of turned salami but we can't.

Also, dietary fiber swells up, giving you a feeling of fullness and slowing down the rate of absorption of sugars. You see, now the digestion actually has to work to extract food, which reduces the onslaught of sugar into the bloodstream.

The problem is that dietary fiber makes the food harder to cook, chew and digest. And boy, do food companies hate that. Dietary fiber reduces the throughput of customers. Why would a fast food company want you to eat a hamburger for 30 minutes? They want you chewing that badboy in 2 minutes, out the door and then back right away, since food without dietary fiber does not satiate. Do you see the situation?

Source: dietary writer

Re: DNA tests show Subway sandwiches could contain just 50% chicken

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Not good for low-carb/keto eaters. Soy has carbs, chicken doesn't. There has been some discussion regarding subway and carbs in the chicken, because their nutrition shows far fewer than some app trackers do. If it's 50%, that's a serious level of carbs, and makes Subway not an option.

Also not good for people with soy allergies, and soy is one of the major food allergens.

Subway publishes a list of all allergens in its products.

http://www.subway.com/~/media/usa/documents/nutrition/us_all...

Re: DNA tests show Subway sandwiches could contain just 50% chicken

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Who cares if it's GMO? All food we eat is GMO. Sorry to break it to you, dude, but some people do care. And if all "food we eat is GMO", why are some labelled non-GMO and other, GMO?

> And if all "food we eat is GMO", why are some labelled non-GMO and other, GMO? Because enough people believe - without compelling evidence - that foods which have had their genomes modified using modern methodologies are somehow more hazardous than foods which have had their genomes modified through millennia of selective breeding.

But what they're really saying, though, is we don't know enough about the GMO foods to introduce them into our diets. That using us as guinea pigs is not a good idea.

Re: DNA tests show Subway sandwiches could contain just 50% chicken

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Typically it has a significant amount of sugar (like, considerably more sugar than salt, 1 gram or more per slice). Also lots of dough conditioners which are added for various reasons. I know I've eaten commercial bread with enough lactylate ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactylate ) in it to give me some pretty awful gastrointestinal symptoms. My test wasn't blinded, but the effect was dramatic enough. At the momen…

> Typically it has a significant amount of sugar (like, considerably more sugar than salt, 1 gram or more per slice). Contrary to graycat's ingredient list, sugar is a key ingredient of nearly every leavened bread recipe. About 40g/loaf is the typical amount (about three tablespoons). I would be very surprised if you could find a bread recipe that doesn't have about that much sugar, unless it is specifically trying t…

I make bread with 10 grams or less of sugar all the time (usually pizza crust where I'm headed towards 0 grams being the standard).

Also, there are breads in the stores I shop that don't list sugar (or the various substitutes for sucrose) as an ingredient.

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