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White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by mejari »

kylewest wrote: post #294
mejari wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Granting long interviews is fundamentally different from access to briefings.

agreed. being excluded from one is also different from being excluded from all. there's also 6+ other news organizations in there -- not all trump friendly. I just don't see how CNN being excluded equates to the end of freedom of the press. The reach of those included is far greater than those explicitly excluded.

I don't think it's the end of freedom of the press, but it's a dangerous step towards it. The fact that other groups have more reach doesn't lessen the damage excluding a major news organization just because you don't like what they're reporting. If they're not reporting the truth that's one thing, but this isn't that.

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Post by belovedeagle »

gdulli wrote: post #225
ChicagoDave wrote: post #40

Well proof will come out in the mid-terms. Do most voters want this kind of leadership or not? Of course the GOP is going to contract voting rights as much as possible in the interim, so it's going to be a battle. Liberals don't vote. Will that change?

> Liberals don't vote The Democrats won the popular vote by 3 million votes, so this doesn't seem right. But for some surgical gerrymandering we might not be having a conversation about President Trump at all.

> surgical gerrymandering

Also known as "state lines", a great many of which have been in place for over a century.

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by int_19h »

int_19h wrote: post #273
dukeluke wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In our FPTP voting system, a two party system naturally emerges. And during times of hardship, instead of a middle-ground being found like would occur in a multiparty system, things become even more partisan and contentious. It's a fundamental facet of our political system, and won't ever change by using the political system. The political momentum needed is just too great.

It's not just FPTP. FPTP creates the two party system, but something else creates partisanship (as evidenced by numerous other countries that have FPTP and two parties, but they're nowhere near as diverged). My theory is that what creates partisanship in US is primaries. It might sound counter-intuitive, but hear me out. In the system without primaries, the candidates that run in general elections are decided through…

BTW, this model makes a falsifiable prediction: that any system with FPTP and primaries (and specifically "one member, one vote" primaries) will have runaway partisanship. So if there's a country out there that has FPTP and broad primaries, and doesn't have an increasing trend of partisanship, then that would disprove the theory, or at least poke a big hole in it.

I haven't really looked at all other countries to verify if this is the case, and I would appreciate if other people more familiar with their respective political systems could do so.

So far as I can tell, based on my limited reading, UK and Canada have FPTP, but they don't have primaries similar to the likes of US, or (in case of UK) didn't until very recently.

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Post by singularity2001 »

astockwell wrote: post #281
meentsbk wrote: post #61

I'm finding I'm having a hard time reconciling the current climate - not necessarily at his supporters (or the opposite), but just at how polar opposite everyone seems to be on this. For me, I see these organizations as not treating him poorly, but actually willing to call out things he is not being factual on. But at the same time, maybe I'm being biased against him. I want the discourse, but I'm just struggling to…

You are being Gaslighted[1], that's why you express doubt about your own feelings/bias. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

Gaslight movie 1944 :(

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Post by basurihn »

mejari wrote: post #320
billfor wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

December 2012: Several journalists reported that MSNBC hosts were meeting privately with President Obama to discuss the impending “fiscal cliff” fight. May 2013: NPR’s Ari Shapiro reported that President Obama was meeting privately with “lefty columnists,” but hastened to add that there was “nothing nefarious” about it. November 2013: President Obama met again with liberal journalists, as Obamacare struggled with the…

Where have you copy-pasted this list from and what is it's relevance?

I'm sure if you were at all open to his point, you could really figure it out.

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by mejari »

basurihn wrote: post #325
mejari wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where have you copy-pasted this list from and what is it's relevance?

I'm sure if you were at all open to his point, you could really figure it out.

Why bother posting the comment at all if you don't actually want to discuss it?

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Post by kahnpro »

jacobush wrote: post #154
Dangeranger wrote: post #126

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This is exactly the strategy the WH is starting to employ. Look at Russian tactics against the press in 2006-2007 and you can predict the WH next move. They are stealing from their playbook. Revoke. Replace. Erode.

I hear there are two new administration approved newspapers: The Truth and The News. (Известия)

And it's very well known that there is no news in the Truth, and no truth in the News.

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Post by mcphage »

Sunset wrote: post #224
gizmo686 wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is another potential strategy: attack the concept of honesty. If we get to a point where a significant portion of the population believes everyone, media and Trump, are lying then Trump has much more reign to do what he wants because any reporting on it will instinctively be branded as a lie. So will Trump's defense, but the net result is still a win over believed reporting on .

Trump did not force the media to be douche canoes for years on years.

Not did the media force Trump to lie continuously, yet here we are.

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Post by grzm »

mejari wrote: post #326
basurihn wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure if you were at all open to his point, you could really figure it out.

Why bother posting the comment at all if you don't actually want to discuss it?

To be fair, your initial response was not particularly conducive to continuing the conversation. Why would they choose to respond to someone who is apparently antagonistic?

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Post by boona »

> He has taken to blatantly and explicitly lying about simple verifiable facts, and doubling down on those lies when challenged.

I'm not saying that's not true (I'm not a Trump supporter), but what sticks out to you as an instance of him doubling down on a lie?

Edit: It's disappointing to be down voted rather than being directly engaged. If you have a beef with what I said, please tell me where I've erred. I would love to change my mind on this topic. This is Hacker News after all, not Reddit.

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