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White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by perseusprime11 »

clamprecht wrote: post #11

For anyone who has actually watched these press briefings in their entirety: Does anyone else think these are pretty much the worst way to get to the bottom of issues? Here's how it seems to work: * The press secretary (or President, or whoever) makes a statement * He or she chooses a journalist to ask a question * Journalist asks question * Press secretary answers question in as much or as little detail as he/she wa…

I agree- they are useless. We should have a Monthly state of the union where the President is directly answerable to Public via Periscope/Facebook/Twitter. There are no distribution costs on the Internet so Press will eventually be disintermediated.

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Post by mythrwy »

vikasg wrote: post #289
grzm wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Make a point or get the fuck out. No matter what the behavior of other users it's never okay on HN to be uncivil.

The use of the word 'fuck' doesn't mean it's uncivil. I'm merely making a point as forcefully as the subject demands.

My point is in the original post but you are making it so much better than I ever could.

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Post by maxerickson »

methusalasleeps wrote: post #217
sp332 wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shadow? Like this? http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Tampa-town-hall-meeti...

Also fun, but I didn't mean a cutout of trump.. an actual clinton or sanders, or anyone who has some backing to run next term can build a shadow cabinet and start answering the NYTs questions.

That's an esoteric use of "shadow government".

It's typically used to mean a secret cabal that holds the real power.

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Post by hackuser »

perseusprime11 wrote: post #296
hackuser wrote: post #291

> Breitbart News, the One America News Network and The Washington Times, all with conservative leanings. Journalists from ABC, CBS, The Wall Street Journal, Bloomberg, and Fox News also attended. The sentence is misleading and normalizes something that is very dangerous: The WSJ and Fox absolutely have conservative leanings. IMHO, WSJ, at least their editorial page, and Fox are propaganda outlets. (To be clear, I des…

I am with you on HuffingtonPost but they also have so much fake news on their site that it is hard for me to know which one is Outbrain and which one is HuffPo. I am also afraid they will go out of business because of these practices.

> I am also afraid they will go out of business because of these practices.

Propaganda is a very good business - better than the real thing these days. Look at who are the leaders by far on cable and talk radio, and in the business community.

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Post by manigandham »

bullfightonmars wrote: post #47
clamprecht wrote: post #11

For anyone who has actually watched these press briefings in their entirety: Does anyone else think these are pretty much the worst way to get to the bottom of issues? Here's how it seems to work: * The press secretary (or President, or whoever) makes a statement * He or she chooses a journalist to ask a question * Journalist asks question * Press secretary answers question in as much or as little detail as he/she wa…

These press briefings provide direct, multilateral, and unmoderated access to the Presidential Administration by the Press Corps. They are incredibly important to holding the administration to account for policy. Can the administration spin their own narrative? Sure, but they can't directly control or audit the questions asked.

> but they can't directly control or audit the questions asked

That's exactly what's happening - they're skipping the reporters and now excluding the news organization entirely.

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Post by mjmsmith »

KerrickStaley wrote: post #255

The HN ranking algorithm buried this post really quickly. Right now it has 466 points, 229 comments, is 1 hour old, and ranked at #32. For comparision, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13725093 has 197 points, 39 comments, is 4 hours old, and ranked at #13. Does anyone know why the ranking algorithm demoted this article and not the other (even though this one is younger and more popular)? I know it applies penalt…

Trump apologists downvoting/flagging. They seem to have infested HN to a greater degree than other tech sites for some reason.

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Post by mythrwy »

b_t_s wrote: post #277
mythrwy wrote: post #144

Ya, well the press's treatment of Trump has been a bit one sided. And well out of proportion to his actual comments and deeds. You might not like Trump, and you might have good reasons but the above is true all the same. And, he is sitting president of the USA right now, irrespective of how you feel about him, his platforms and his supporters. The amount of vitriol involving Trump is ridiculous. It really is. I'm not…

One sided. The side of truth and sanity. The man tells a steady stream of blatant lies. He doesn't even care if they're readily objectively disprovable. The media should have been shredding him like this for over a year now. That's literally their job. I have major, major differences with every one of his opponents in the primaries, but they're all reasonably sane and professional and I wouldn't be complaining terrib…

"The side of truth and sanity".

Absolutism without the admission of nuance historically leads down a dark road with a pit at the end.

I understand you think Trump is wrong and liar. But that doesn't excuse the behavior of the press in this regard. They do themselves no favors and neither do those who aren't "overreacting" while spewing vitriol.

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Post by tdb7893 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #259
tdb7893 wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think about it a two party system has a tendency to make the parties move towards the center in general. If a party gets much more extreme than the populace then they will lose easily against an opponent just a little more moderate than them. Trump's views seem a little more extreme than the general populace but if you look at it he didn't even win the popular vote.

> If you think about it a two party system has a tendency to make the parties move towards the center in general. No, it doesn't. > If a party gets much more extreme than the populace then they will lose easily against an opponent just a little more moderate than them. This requires lots of assumptions that may not be true in the real world. First, it assumes a party in power can't shift the electorate by suppressing…

There are a lot of things to pulls the two parties back out from the middle again and I'm aware that practically it's not like both parties are actually centrist. Maybe I should've been more clear but my intent was saying that a two party system leads to more centrist parties than a multi-party system. I honestly think that multi-party systems might be better but I also think that two party systems aren't completely aweful
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