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White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by dukeluke »

tdb7893 wrote: post #236
dukeluke wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In our FPTP voting system, a two party system naturally emerges. And during times of hardship, instead of a middle-ground being found like would occur in a multiparty system, things become even more partisan and contentious. It's a fundamental facet of our political system, and won't ever change by using the political system. The political momentum needed is just too great.

If you think about it a two party system has a tendency to make the parties move towards the center in general. If a party gets much more extreme than the populace then they will lose easily against an opponent just a little more moderate than them. Trump's views seem a little more extreme than the general populace but if you look at it he didn't even win the popular vote.

That's true, except both of our parties have been taken over by corporations & the system makes a third party candidate almost always unviable. It's an illusion of choice where the people always lose, and the system didn't work in a way that can recover.

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Post by pcmaffey »

wfo wrote: post #220
themgt wrote: post #93

This country appears to be on a very dangerous path. I don't remotely deny Trump and his administration's responsibility and complicity for taking us down this path, but given how widely understood his issues are within mainstream discourse, I wanted to take a step back and critically look at the not-Trump aspects. Firstly, Trump needs to be understood in context as the outsider who none of the establishment took ser…

Trump's tactic is clear as it is effective. He behaves exactly as ridiculously as the press makes him out to. The press look like they are exaggerating and making him look bad because if they report true facts, those true facts are so ridiculous that people assume they are the product of bias. Trump really did say he wanted to murder the children of terrorists. He really did say the press is the enemy of the American…

> How do you write a story about that without making it seem biased? Nobody would believe he said those things. It must be an exaggeration. It must be unfair reporting. And look, that's what he's claiming. That must be it. > But you can actually watch him speak and it's horrifying

I wonder if the appropriate response can be found in the medium. Use video instead of words. Rather than writing about Trump or quoting him, perhaps we need more video news, showing him saying the things he says. Make the 'story' from the editing...

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by mejari »

___start wrote: post #226
tdb7893 wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obama didn't exclude news organizations because he didn't like them when he was president as far as I'm aware and if he did I'm going to be just as mad at him as I am at Trump.

did Obama call on conservative leaning publications? I'm pretty sure he favored the ones in the front row, the ones that favored him.

Yes, he did call on conservative leaning publications. Your vague memories are incorrect.

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Post by kylewest »

alphabettsy wrote: post #228
kylewest wrote: post #65

much ado about nothing. press access has always been limited to a select handful. even making it into the room doesn't guarantee you'll be acknowledged or, if called on, have your question answered.

The largest media outlets in the country being denied access to the WH Press Room?

at times there is literally one reporter in the room (MLK Bust story). I'm not arguing they should be excluded forever, just think all perspective is lost when dealing with Trump. Somehow CNN being excluded from a gaggle turns into Trump being a dictator at war with the 1st amendment.

Maybe he is, and maybe this is a tiny piece of a multi-year plot. Or maybe not.

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Post by KerrickStaley »

The HN ranking algorithm buried this post really quickly.

Right now it has 466 points, 229 comments, is 1 hour old, and ranked at #32.

For comparision, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13725093 has 197 points, 39 comments, is 4 hours old, and ranked at #13.

Does anyone know why the ranking algorithm demoted this article and not the other (even though this one is younger and more popular)? I know it applies penalties for certain sites and if an article is deemed "controversial" (more comments than votes), but I don't think either would trigger here.

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Post by [deleted] »

mythrwy wrote: post #183
mythrwy wrote: post #144

Ya, well the press's treatment of Trump has been a bit one sided. And well out of proportion to his actual comments and deeds. You might not like Trump, and you might have good reasons but the above is true all the same. And, he is sitting president of the USA right now, irrespective of how you feel about him, his platforms and his supporters. The amount of vitriol involving Trump is ridiculous. It really is. I'm not…

I'm not complaining about downvotes because I don't care but the downvotes on this post are pretty clear evidence of exactly what I'm talking about. Nastiness and lack of good manners isn't my preferred response to lack of good manners. Because if it keeps escalating it winds up in a very bad place. There was a time people were close enough to a natural state they knew this. They bowed. They chose their words careful…

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Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by mythrwy »

KerrickStaley wrote: post #255

The HN ranking algorithm buried this post really quickly. Right now it has 466 points, 229 comments, is 1 hour old, and ranked at #32. For comparision, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13725093 has 197 points, 39 comments, is 4 hours old, and ranked at #13. Does anyone know why the ranking algorithm demoted this article and not the other (even though this one is younger and more popular)? I know it applies penalt…

Amount of downvotes on posts?

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Post by tempodox »

gizmo686 wrote: post #184
roywiggins wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's -possible- this is an intentional strategy: people who want to believe the administration are peeled away from news media that aren't 100% in line with the administration's agenda. If you like Trump and want to believe what he says, reading the NYT has got to be an exercise in frustration. Once all remaining supporters don't watch any media that isn't Trump Approved(TM), they're locked in permanently.

There is another potential strategy: attack the concept of honesty. If we get to a point where a significant portion of the population believes everyone, media and Trump, are lying then Trump has much more reign to do what he wants because any reporting on it will instinctively be branded as a lie. So will Trump's defense, but the net result is still a win over believed reporting on .

> attack the concept of honesty.

This. When others are lying, they make a “decent” effort to hide that fact, while Trump doesn't even try. The resulting confusion, when everyone is fighting over who lied about what, is one of his most effective weapons. People are distracted, cachink, goal achieved.

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Post by dragonwriter »

tdb7893 wrote: post #236
dukeluke wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In our FPTP voting system, a two party system naturally emerges. And during times of hardship, instead of a middle-ground being found like would occur in a multiparty system, things become even more partisan and contentious. It's a fundamental facet of our political system, and won't ever change by using the political system. The political momentum needed is just too great.

If you think about it a two party system has a tendency to make the parties move towards the center in general. If a party gets much more extreme than the populace then they will lose easily against an opponent just a little more moderate than them. Trump's views seem a little more extreme than the general populace but if you look at it he didn't even win the popular vote.

> If you think about it a two party system has a tendency to make the parties move towards the center in general.

No, it doesn't.

> If a party gets much more extreme than the populace then they will lose easily against an opponent just a little more moderate than them.

This requires lots of assumptions that may not be true in the real world. First, it assumes a party in power can't shift the electorate by suppressing voting rights of its opponents. Second, it either ignores propensity to vote effects, or assumes a unimodal distribution of preferences so that moderation not only brings you closer to the median voter but also doesn't make people who are closer to your position less likely to vote; whereas a two-party system over time promotes a bimodal distribution where moving away from one of those peaks, even toward the center between them, reduces enthusiasm and votes recieved.) It also ignores communication assymetries and their relation to money, and therefore support from moneyed interests.

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Post by beat »

This isn't about banning particular media outlets for asking hard questions or being fake news or whatever. This is about setting up the mainstream media as the enemy, and treating them as such. Trump's target is his supporters. "Do you trust me? If you trust me, then you can't trust them."
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