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White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by astockwell »

meentsbk wrote: post #61

I'm finding I'm having a hard time reconciling the current climate - not necessarily at his supporters (or the opposite), but just at how polar opposite everyone seems to be on this. For me, I see these organizations as not treating him poorly, but actually willing to call out things he is not being factual on. But at the same time, maybe I'm being biased against him. I want the discourse, but I'm just struggling to…

You are being Gaslighted[1], that's why you express doubt about your own feelings/bias.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by dang »

aestetix wrote: post #140
dang wrote: post #108

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Please don't do this. It breaks the HN guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13727131 and marked it off-topic.

Duly noted. Is there any way to report vote thrashing, or do you have tools to detect it?

If you think people are doing something abusive you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look into it for you.

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by tdb7893 »

dukeluke wrote: post #251
tdb7893 wrote: post #236

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If you think about it a two party system has a tendency to make the parties move towards the center in general. If a party gets much more extreme than the populace then they will lose easily against an opponent just a little more moderate than them. Trump's views seem a little more extreme than the general populace but if you look at it he didn't even win the popular vote.

That's true, except both of our parties have been taken over by corporations & the system makes a third party candidate almost always unviable. It's an illusion of choice where the people always lose, and the system didn't work in a way that can recover.

Obviously you have less choices than the in the two party system but it also means that the choices need to appeal to a broader subset of the audience. Third parties don't win but they can make one of the main parties lose so if there is a really popular third party one of the main parties would probably just absorb most of their ideas into their main platform. I'm not saying that the two party system is perfect (or even good), just that the parties have to fight for votes has a tendency to move the parties to where the voters are.

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by mason240 »

daeken wrote: post #207
mason240 wrote: post #201

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Which is why I provided a source for another situation that is directly equivalent.

This is known as "moving the goalposts". You commented on a thread discussing one issue and jumped to a conclusion that this was partisan bickering. Then when called out on it, you moved the goalposts to another issue. It's not conducive to honest discussion.

That is not what "moving the goalposts" means. You said "this is about B, not A," so in response I gave a citation for B.

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Post by yongjik »

TheGirondin wrote: post #209
tmccrmck wrote: post #181

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But they never presented it as factual. What was "true" was that they reported on a 35 page dossier created by a former British intelligence official. In fact, they never even released the dossier -- they only reported that the classified documents were presented to Obama and Trump. Your post is some serious disinformation.

Ok, so that's the template that make fake news legitimate. 1) Get a dossier from an anonymous source claiming X did Y. According to you, it doesn't even have to exist. 2) Report on the existence of the dossier, making sure to click-bait the hell out the Y. 3) When criticized, respond that you are are "just reporting." How well would it go over with you if Fox had started reporting on the existence of an a dossier fro…

1) Get a dossier that can be traced to a British intelligence officer, which is so damning that John McCain decided to deliver it personally to the director of FBI.

FTFY.

But if you have, say, an email sent by Bill Clinton to NSA urging to investigate Obama's secret Kenyan birthplace as documented by an officer of Mossad, feel free to share with us.

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Post by grzm »

vikasg wrote: post #279
mythrwy wrote: post #186

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"Can you point out any significant press coverage of Trump's nastiness that qualifies as "irrational"?" Sure but I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader.

> Sure but I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader. You seem to think you're a professor we're all dying to listen to. Make a point or get the fuck out.

Make a point or get the fuck out.

No matter what the behavior of other users it's never okay on HN to be uncivil.

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Post by BrailleHunting »

maxerickson wrote: post #92
bullfightonmars wrote: post #47

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These press briefings provide direct, multilateral, and unmoderated access to the Presidential Administration by the Press Corps. They are incredibly important to holding the administration to account for policy. Can the administration spin their own narrative? Sure, but they can't directly control or audit the questions asked.

Depends on if they start excluding organizations and lining up softballs from cranks.

This is exactly why journalism today is mostly lacking in integrity: journos having to cozy up to and not offend officials to maintain access. Without viable, advarasial news, society is headed towards a precipice of greater corruption and authoritarianism because the press failed to hold leaders accountable for their actions.

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Post by vikasg »

grzm wrote: post #286
vikasg wrote: post #279

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> Sure but I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader. You seem to think you're a professor we're all dying to listen to. Make a point or get the fuck out.

Make a point or get the fuck out. No matter what the behavior of other users it's never okay on HN to be uncivil.

The use of the word 'fuck' doesn't mean it's uncivil. I'm merely making a point as forcefully as the subject demands.

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by BrailleHunting »

toyg wrote: post #232
Dangeranger wrote: post #126

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This is exactly the strategy the WH is starting to employ. Look at Russian tactics against the press in 2006-2007 and you can predict the WH next move. They are stealing from their playbook. Revoke. Replace. Erode.

"Stealing"? Vladimir let Donald borrow the book and make photocopies, and he's happy to explain all the parts that are not clear.

Vlad also showed off his bling to The Donald that he stole from Robert Kraft.
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