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White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Only the AP choose to not attend out of solidarity? Shame on ABC, CBS, and the rest.

That's very noble of the AP, but I would imagine that though those organizations must feel as though they must attend their press briefings out of duty to their readership. I think as long as they're willing to treat their trade with the dutifulness it deserves, those organizations do not deserve shame for this.

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This country has gone mad. The Trump supporters will justify and applaud everything he does while he burns down the world.

Why even pretend we have a democracy anymore? Trump and his WH are busy eroding and suprressing every form of free speech and I can't think of a single thing him or the Republicans stand for that actually helps people.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like substantiating your allegation would increase the likelihood of being taken seriously -- or proven wrong, of course, which is what I'll assume you are as long as you are unwilling to prove it. "As appealing as it might be for some people to believe your comment it doesn't pass the basic sniff test." - mythrwy, 13 days ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13620408

Thanks for going back through my old comments. I love it when people take me seriously enough to investigate. You aren't going to be able to "prove me wrong" because what we are talking about here is largely a matter of nuance and opinion. Or manifest and obvious fact if you'd rather see it like that. I know what facts I see. Feel free to register your disagreement.

Look everyone understands Trump hates newspapers that call him out on his lies which is why he banned them, it is pretty straightforward.

Hence that whole Flynn thing. Or did Trump fire a guy over a fake story?

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For anyone who has actually watched these press briefings in their entirety: Does anyone else think these are pretty much the worst way to get to the bottom of issues? Here's how it seems to work: * The press secretary (or President, or whoever) makes a statement * He or she chooses a journalist to ask a question * Journalist asks question * Press secretary answers question in as much or as little detail as he/she wa…

"Asked about X, press secretary didn't provide more details." is still interesting information. Well... during more normal times anyways. I do agree it could be more transparent and useful than a reality show however.

The goal is to only get the questions the President wants asked to be asked.

There won't be many "didn't provide more details" type questions if people want to retain access.

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post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please name a news organization that was allowed to attend press conferences by Obama, then later banned because he didn't like what they had to say. edit: Since you won't be able to find one by Obama, how about any president in the last 50 years?

>The administration has taken increasing steps in recent weeks and months to isolate the TV network, with some Capitol Hill veterans recalling no such similar steps by any president since Richard Nixon’s retaliation against The New York Times and The Washington Post during Watergate. >“The point is this, and it really needs to be made: Fox is not just another television network,” said Senate Democratic Whip Dick Durb…

Why would you post a link which proves my point for me?

>The effort hasn’t been a total blackout; White House press secretary Robert Gibbs still calls on Fox News reporter Major Garrett at press briefings

Obama decided not to go on some Fox talk shows one time which apparently hurt their feelings. It would be truly shocking if we had a president who wasn't nice to the press like that.

Thank god ours constantly reassures reporters that he would never have them killed, even though he hates them and thinks they are disgusting, and he has to remind us that he thinks people who kill reporters are bad people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxI04hcgRNg

He did not ban them from press conferences, in fact his press secretary called on their reporters.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you watched his press conferences and speeches? Just watched the live feed - no commentary? He really does call the press an enemy of the people. He really does repeat factually incorrect statements over and over even after he was corrected. I've talked to a lot of people who have espoused the "It can't really be this bad - the media must be exaggerating". Trumps own words quickly casts away that delusion. Serio…

He made a big point of complaining about this characterization at CPAC. He says he loves the media, welcomes criticism, isn't against negative stories, but is against fake news, making up sources, making up stories. You don't have to believe that this is happening at the NYT to agree with the principle of what he's saying, that those who wage disinformation campaigns against the American people are the enemy of the p…

The President should be nuanced enough to be aware that calling the press an "Enemey of the people" is something tin pot dictators do on the eve of their ascension to power. The phrase is deliberately inflammatory.

If this were all just an honest mistake he wouldn't have repeated it over and over.

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post #215

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"Asked about X, press secretary didn't provide more details." is still interesting information. Well... during more normal times anyways. I do agree it could be more transparent and useful than a reality show however.

Indeed. Refusals to answer, evasions, and lies are also valuable information.

> Indeed. Refusals to answer, evasions, and lies are also valuable information.

And people who ask those questions too frequently will be weeded out just like NYT, CNN, and Politico.

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please name a news organization that was allowed to attend press conferences by Obama, then later banned because he didn't like what they had to say. edit: Since you won't be able to find one by Obama, how about any president in the last 50 years?

>The administration has taken increasing steps in recent weeks and months to isolate the TV network, with some Capitol Hill veterans recalling no such similar steps by any president since Richard Nixon’s retaliation against The New York Times and The Washington Post during Watergate. >“The point is this, and it really needs to be made: Fox is not just another television network,” said Senate Democratic Whip Dick Durb…

>White House press secretary Robert Gibbs still calls on Fox News reporter Major Garrett at press briefings

So they were still invited to the briefings and still called on.

>Obama last month granted five interviews to Sunday political shows to discuss healthcare reform, but he did not sit down with Fox

That's the worst he did.

>And there is no evidence of any joint strategy by Democrats at either side of Pennsylvania Avenue to coordinate their efforts against Fox.

No additional steps or coordinated effort was made to exclude Fox.

To call this the same thing is disingenuous and incorrect.

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post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He made a big point of complaining about this characterization at CPAC. He says he loves the media, welcomes criticism, isn't against negative stories, but is against fake news, making up sources, making up stories. You don't have to believe that this is happening at the NYT to agree with the principle of what he's saying, that those who wage disinformation campaigns against the American people are the enemy of the p…

The President should be nuanced enough to be aware that calling the press an "Enemey of the people" is something tin pot dictators do on the eve of their ascension to power. The phrase is deliberately inflammatory. If this were all just an honest mistake he wouldn't have repeated it over and over.

He said clearly that he wasn't talking about the entire press, just the people who lie to to the public. If he's the liar, he's ironically talking about himself. If the mainstream media is intentionally lying to deceive people for political purposes, then he would be negligent not to speak against it.

So I'm not disagreeing with you. But this really comes down to the question of who is lying.

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