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White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by boona »

wfo wrote: post #151
___start wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes but all Presidents do this, including Obama

Please name a news organization that was allowed to attend press conferences by Obama, then later banned because he didn't like what they had to say. edit: Since you won't be able to find one by Obama, how about any president in the last 50 years?

Obama had tried to do the same thing with Fox News.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/president-obamas-feud-with-fox-n...

The difference in this case is how wildly inaccurate their reporting has been. Nearly everyday they're misrepresenting what President Trump has said, and sometimes they outright lie. It borders on hysteria. Which is ridiculous, because if they didn't ratchet everything up to 11, they could make serious points against Trump.

For instance in the latest Sweden nontroversy, Trump misspoke when he tried to make reference to a report he saw on the Tucker Carlson show. Instead of having articles that would point out that a President should speak more clearly and that we expect more from him, instead they stated that he made up a terror attack! Really?! Instead of making a point that we could all agree with, they made themselves look bad to those of us who are non-partisans.

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by dukeluke »

gizmo686 wrote: post #184
roywiggins wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's -possible- this is an intentional strategy: people who want to believe the administration are peeled away from news media that aren't 100% in line with the administration's agenda. If you like Trump and want to believe what he says, reading the NYT has got to be an exercise in frustration. Once all remaining supporters don't watch any media that isn't Trump Approved(TM), they're locked in permanently.

There is another potential strategy: attack the concept of honesty. If we get to a point where a significant portion of the population believes everyone, media and Trump, are lying then Trump has much more reign to do what he wants because any reporting on it will instinctively be branded as a lie. So will Trump's defense, but the net result is still a win over believed reporting on .

What makes things difficult is that the legitimacy of corporate media was seriously in question before Trump was elected. There seems to have been massive collusion between the mainstream media & the DNC to keep Bernie Sanders a fringe candidate. And it's tough to say "the mainstream media is rigged, but a president saying so openly is bad."

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Post by mythrwy »

runesoerensen wrote: post #212
mythrwy wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Can you point out any significant press coverage of Trump's nastiness that qualifies as "irrational"?" Sure but I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader.

Seems like substantiating your allegation would increase the likelihood of being taken seriously -- or proven wrong, of course, which is what I'll assume you are as long as you are unwilling to prove it. "As appealing as it might be for some people to believe your comment it doesn't pass the basic sniff test." - mythrwy, 13 days ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13620408

Thanks for going back through my old comments. I love it when people take me seriously enough to investigate.

You aren't going to be able to "prove me wrong" because what we are talking about here is largely a matter of nuance and opinion. Or manifest and obvious fact if you'd rather see it like that. I know what facts I see. Feel free to register your disagreement.

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Post by Sunset »

gizmo686 wrote: post #184
roywiggins wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's -possible- this is an intentional strategy: people who want to believe the administration are peeled away from news media that aren't 100% in line with the administration's agenda. If you like Trump and want to believe what he says, reading the NYT has got to be an exercise in frustration. Once all remaining supporters don't watch any media that isn't Trump Approved(TM), they're locked in permanently.

There is another potential strategy: attack the concept of honesty. If we get to a point where a significant portion of the population believes everyone, media and Trump, are lying then Trump has much more reign to do what he wants because any reporting on it will instinctively be branded as a lie. So will Trump's defense, but the net result is still a win over believed reporting on .

Trump did not force the media to be douche canoes for years on years.

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Post by gdulli »

ChicagoDave wrote: post #40

Well proof will come out in the mid-terms. Do most voters want this kind of leadership or not? Of course the GOP is going to contract voting rights as much as possible in the interim, so it's going to be a battle. Liberals don't vote. Will that change?

> Liberals don't vote

The Democrats won the popular vote by 3 million votes, so this doesn't seem right. But for some surgical gerrymandering we might not be having a conversation about President Trump at all.

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Post by ___start »

tdb7893 wrote: post #200
___start wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes but all Presidents do this, including Obama

Obama didn't exclude news organizations because he didn't like them when he was president as far as I'm aware and if he did I'm going to be just as mad at him as I am at Trump.

did Obama call on conservative leaning publications? I'm pretty sure he favored the ones in the front row, the ones that favored him.

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Post by alphabettsy »

kylewest wrote: post #65

much ado about nothing. press access has always been limited to a select handful. even making it into the room doesn't guarantee you'll be acknowledged or, if called on, have your question answered.

The largest media outlets in the country being denied access to the WH Press Room?

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Post by pasbesoin »

I wrote a snarky if apt comment, but I'll rephrase it seriously.

I hope the resources put in limbo by this can be devoted to investigating and reporting some independent and accurate accounts of what's happening.

Such as, say, refuting every false statement that is coming from the press room podium.

I'd pay for that paper.

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Post by ___start »

aanm1988 wrote: post #195
___start wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes but all Presidents do this, including Obama

Obama complained about Fox news , but he never acted like this. Who constantly questioned his legitimacy as president, made up the "terrorist fist jab", and gave him shit for asking for fucking dijon mustard.

so what? why should he give any airtime to a media company that has blatantly slandered him, propagated toxic vitriol, and vehemently opposed him?
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