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White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by choogle »

serf wrote: post #57
agildehaus wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's hardly equivalent.

you're right. Trump should have just reduced the amount of chairs available and warned the folks he liked, like Obama did. Right? God forbid a president do something straight forward without making up reasons as to why it is a noble action. I agree it's wrong, but I'm not willing to give a pass to another president because he worded it differently and achieved the same ousting.

did you even read the article, he was a candidate at the time and booted people who supported his opponent, how is that the same as the sitting president doing the same thing?

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by AlexC04 »

aestetix wrote: post #48

Title is misleading. Press was blocked from a single press briefing. I do not see anything in the article about briefings going forward. Can someone change the title so it's less sensationalized? Edit: thanks to the moderator for removing the "s" and making the word "Briefing" singular to accurately reflect the article.

I think even a single briefing is a scandal.

Consider the words of Admiral McRaven (who coordinated the raid which took down Osama Bin Ladin):

> Donald Trump's war on media is 'biggest threat to democracy'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trum...

"He only did it once" is not a valid defense if you consider even doing it once as a fundamental assault on the Fouth Estate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Estate

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by gizmo686 »

meentsbk wrote: post #61

I'm finding I'm having a hard time reconciling the current climate - not necessarily at his supporters (or the opposite), but just at how polar opposite everyone seems to be on this. For me, I see these organizations as not treating him poorly, but actually willing to call out things he is not being factual on. But at the same time, maybe I'm being biased against him. I want the discourse, but I'm just struggling to…

At this point, an unbiased observer who just looks at, say, NYT would likely come to the conclusion that one of the following statements must be true: a) President Trump is a pathalogical liar or b) The NYT is a pathological liar when talking about Trump.

There is no middle ground where NYT is being fair, and Trump is being reasonable. This means that any reasonable person with a position on this issue must take at least one of the two extremes.

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by daeken »

mason240 wrote: post #88

Of course it's a false equivalence, one President was a Democrat, this one is a Republican.

Bullshit. Obama was a presidential candidate when this took place, not even the president. You're making this into a partisan issue; not the others upthread of you.

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Post by coldtea »

conistonwater wrote: post #55
yummyfajitas wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A quick google search suggests Obama did the same thing. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=6156794&pag...

> Obama did the same thing FYA: > Barack Obama's campaign has booted from its airplane three reporters who work for newspapers that have endorsed John McCain. > The campaign says that a limited number of seats forced it to make the tough decision of which journalists would be permitted to follow the Democratic presidential candidate in the last four days of the campaign, but the papers are calling foul, claiming they…

How about these then:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2013/10/10/cpj-report-on-...

Obama vs. Free Press: White House Claims Ban on News Photographers Actually a ‘Win’ for Transparency

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by TheGirondin »

rybosome wrote: post #31
andriesm wrote: post #18

Good for Trump. CNN and friends not only have no credibility left, they've treated him with such disrespect and disdain that I'm not surprised he ain't doing them any favors. Trump will probably leverage social media and YouTube a lot, and the media can continue to re-spin stories downstream like before. Just far fewer people will take them seriously.

Has it honestly not occurred to you that they might treat him with disrespect and disdain because he earned it?

Has it honestly not occurred to you that he might treat him with disrespect and disdain because they earned it?

Just as one example, CNN was reporting on that fake new about the "golden showers."

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by ComputerGuru »

clamprecht wrote: post #11

For anyone who has actually watched these press briefings in their entirety: Does anyone else think these are pretty much the worst way to get to the bottom of issues? Here's how it seems to work: * The press secretary (or President, or whoever) makes a statement * He or she chooses a journalist to ask a question * Journalist asks question * Press secretary answers question in as much or as little detail as he/she wa…

People see the press ask questions and be ignored or be given responses that have nothing to do with what was asked and some of them take note. Not allowing the press because you disagree with them is a step away from only allowing government approved press. Welcome to the way things are/were in Nazi Germany, North Korea, Venezuela, Soviet Russia, and other great places to share company with.

Freedom of the press being curtailed to such an extent has /always/ signaled worse things to come in literally every historic precedent, ever.

Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by [deleted] »

oh_sigh wrote: post #95
asynchronous13 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kicking them off the plane is not equivalent to kicking them out of official Press Briefings.

It's still limiting access. Is what Obama did not bad at all, or just not as bad as what Trump's team did to NYT, CNN et al?

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Re: White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing

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Post by dukeluke »

meentsbk wrote: post #61

I'm finding I'm having a hard time reconciling the current climate - not necessarily at his supporters (or the opposite), but just at how polar opposite everyone seems to be on this. For me, I see these organizations as not treating him poorly, but actually willing to call out things he is not being factual on. But at the same time, maybe I'm being biased against him. I want the discourse, but I'm just struggling to…

In our FPTP voting system, a two party system naturally emerges. And during times of hardship, instead of a middle-ground being found like would occur in a multiparty system, things become even more partisan and contentious. It's a fundamental facet of our political system, and won't ever change by using the political system. The political momentum needed is just too great.
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