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Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by gjjrfcbugxbhf »

otalp wrote: post #23

According to the official statistics on The Swedish Crime Survey, the sexual violence rate in Sweden remained about the same between 2005 and 2014. The refugee crisis began around 2014, and since then, the rates for sexual violence went down in 2015[1] something you never see mentioned on certain parts of the internet. 2016 saw an increase in crimes, but still less than pre-immigration levels in 2014. Also the Swedis…

There's lies, damn lies, statistics and biased people interpreting statistics...

2014 is a funny time to end the analysis... We are in 2017.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by someguydave »

estomagordo wrote: post #326
yummyfajitas wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A more relevant question is whether immigrants are making Sweden more dangerous than it would otherwise be. It's possible that Sweden became safer because Swedes commit fewer crimes, and this decrease outweighed a crime increase caused by immigrants. Crime-by-nationality data would help resolve this question. Why is the Swedish government hiding it?

Every criminologist, relevant government institution or agency already knows that immigrants are over-represented in crime. I'm not sure what would be learned and what strategies would change if one were to learn exactly how that over-representation looks today.

So data that discredits an ideology should remain unpublished? That sounds like theocracy.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by ng12 »

oytis wrote: post #261
Claudus wrote: post #67

A Swedish Police Officer ranted on Facebook about crime and migration in Sweden a few weeks ago. https://www.facebook.com/peter.springare/posts/1020830068234... Translation: I'm so fucking tired. What I will write here below, is not politically correct. But I don't care. What I'm going to promote you all taxpayers is prohibited to peddle for us state employees. That tends to drive in a non-career and non-individual p…

The two statements: 1. "Immigration doesn't lead to increase in crime rate". 2. "Most criminal offences are committed by immigrants". dont't contradict each other. It may well be that immigrants push locals out of criminal business, because they are now the most poor and discriminated. That means that if you somehow decrease immigration rate, the business will be taken by Swedes again.

Did you just refer to sexual assault as a business?

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by alkonaut »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #166
gaff33 wrote: post #113

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They talk about it in the article > People from foreign backgrounds are suspected of crimes more often than people from a Swedish background [...] In a later study, researchers at Stockholm University showed that the main difference in terms of criminal activity between immigrants and others in the population was due to differences in the socioeconomic conditions in which they grew up in Sweden. So it seems that whil…

> So it seems that whilst immigrants are suspected of more crimes than average, they commit the same amount of crime as poor deprived members of indigenous populations. "Commit the same level of crime as the subset of the population who commit the highest level of crime" does not sound very reassuring.

If immigrants in a certain area/age/education level/income level commit fewer crimes than the corresponding group of natives that would be surprising.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by soundwave106 »

ra1n85 wrote: post #95
tomlock wrote: post #85

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Not sure what stats back up this claim. I've heard people say this movement is anti-globalization, about the economy, anti-PC, anti-establishment - yadda yadda yadda. Everyone has a theory, and it seems like people just choose the one they like best. Trump at the moment has a very low approval rating - maybe not everyone got what they read into him?

>Trump at the moment has a very low approval rating - maybe not everyone got what they read into him? Polls also predicted him to have less than a 10% chance of winning the election. Not all data is good data.

FiveThirtyEight pegged Trump's chances more in the 25%-30% range. Not all data is analyzed well.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by alkonaut »

polack wrote: post #70
otalp wrote: post #23

According to the official statistics on The Swedish Crime Survey, the sexual violence rate in Sweden remained about the same between 2005 and 2014. The refugee crisis began around 2014, and since then, the rates for sexual violence went down in 2015[1] something you never see mentioned on certain parts of the internet. 2016 saw an increase in crimes, but still less than pre-immigration levels in 2014. Also the Swedis…

It's totally irrelevant that the crimes has decreased. The point is that a majority of all violence and sexual crimes is performed by immigrants (as confirmed by Sweden's most famous crime professor GW a couple of days ago). Why are you so afraid to see that immigrants are over represented in this category of crimes?

Remarks like this is exactly why this whole debate has derailed. No one is even contesting that immigrants commit more crimes IT'S EVEN IN THIS ARTICLE WHICH IS AN ARTICLE FROM THE GOVERNMENT.

Yet yeah it's covered up. Sure.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by robert_foss »

Claudus wrote: post #45

The level of government level censorship in Sweden is concerning. Maybe worries over negative reaction in the native population are used to justify hiding crime statistics, but I think it will lead to a violent backlash eventually. It's shocking to me that "grenade attacks" have virtually become an every day occurrence. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_S... Refugee centers have already been…

Which censorship? Sources?

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by cromulent »

oligopoly wrote: post #320
matthewmacleod wrote: post #195

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You are deliberately lying and citing well-known unreliable sources. Why are you doing this? Are you trying to push some pre-concieved agenda? I genuinely don't understand.

UN rape statistics is unreliable source? It's creepy how lot of people downplay rape in this thread.

The source itself says that it is is unreliable :)

"Please note that when using the figures, any cross-national comparisons should be conducted with caution because of the differences that exist between the legal definitions of offences in countries, or the different methods of offence counting and recording."

http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/...

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by concinds »

beefield wrote: post #255
cowl wrote: post #235

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It is irrelevant since they refuse to keep statics based on the Ethnicity. Example (fictitious) if total Crime has decreased by 1% but crime by Swedish citizens has decreased by 5% it would actually show a 4% crime increase in non Swedish population. although this fictitious figure may seems small it would be nonetheless an unwarranted risk increase. Not everything that distinguishes based on ethnicity is racism othe…

> figure may seems small it would be nonetheless an unwarranted risk increase. That is again another discussion where it may be relevant. I took a quite specific discussion ("Sweden has turned dangerous because of crimes by immigrants") and in that discussion the fact(?) that total crime numbers have not increased is very relevant.

> I took a quite specific discussion ("Sweden has turned dangerous because of crimes by immigrants") and in that discussion the fact(?) that total crime numbers have not increased is very relevant.

Not necessarily the case because demographics are never homogeneously distributed across territory. If the rape/crime numbers didn't fall uniformly across the whole population, then you could have scenarios where crime fell by 20% in some regions and increased 25% in others, and overall it would be constant. I'm making up the numbers to illustrate.

More data would make your point much more convincing.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by mstade »

piva00 wrote: post #216
sheraz wrote: post #59

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Which t-bana stop or neighborhood?

I live by Hornstull, my friend lives in Älvsjö near Tussmötevägen and my friend in Kista lives about 10 min from Rinkeby. It's kinda ridiculous when I see a map where they mark "Enskede" as a no-go zone.

Enskede a no-go zone? I think I've heard it all now.
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