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>You first have to accept them to check if they actually qualify for refugee status, those that don't qualify don't get the status and thus have to leave the country. Then what? THEN they go back to the border and they create their own communities? How can you __actually__ make that many people leave? >Do you seriously think creating these kinds of "slums" would be beneficial to anybody? No, but the fact is these ref…
>Then what? THEN they go back to the border and they create their own communities? How can you __actually__ make that many people leave? I never claimed the system is perfect because there is no perfect system for such complex problems. >No, but the fact is these refugees are not able to contribute to the societies they come to in a meaningful way. For instance, in Germany only 1 in 10,000 refugees that arrived last…
Agreed. But my real problem here is that there doesn't seem to be any sort of plan. There are many questions that need to be answered, among these:
1. Should a country accept refugees? If yes, how many?
2. Are these refugees permanent residents? If not, what is the timeline of their departure?
3. How do we integrate thousands of people with very diverse backgrounds into our system?
>That's because they are legally not allowed to work until their status has been cleared.
Finding concrete numbers on this issue is surprisingly difficult. I have found from a few different sources that only 13% of in-status refugees have found work. Again, there are real challenges in integrating refugees, and there is no clear plan for how this is to be accomplished.
>these people won't simply "disappear" just because you hide them behind big fences and walls.
Agreed, and something should be done to help them. But I think that the default shouldn't be to let them in. That's foolhardy, especially when governments don't have clear policy answering the questions that I have asked.
In the absence of a clear plan regarding the status of refugees, I can't help but feel that it is irresponsible to accept all. It will require real, concentrated efforts by a government to make a refugee system work in the interests of both refugees and citizens, although I agree that it is an effort worth making.
I respect your experiences with free movement. We agree that we don't desire for "iron curtains" to be re-established. Coming up with an approach to these problems that works is beyond my skill set -- I only hope to see that those who come up with possible systems are able to clearly articulate their details, strengths and weaknesses, and allow the people to make a choice from a selection of systems.
EDIT: I am also going to add that I am aware that some of these questions have definite legal answers, but given that there is so much turbulence and desire to modify existing legal systems that predate the current refugees-crisis, there is a lack of certainty and dialog regarding policy designed to face today's issues.