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Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by esteth »

literallycancer wrote: post #102
akerro wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VICE made a pretty good material about no-go zones in Sweden and anti-racist groups that demolish your car, house, get you fired from job for liking wrong thing on Facebook.

How about linking the material? >and anti-racist groups that demolish your car, house, get you fired from job for liking wrong thing on Facebook. Yea. It's your prerogative to hold controversial opinions. But you certainly don't have any right to be publicly racist and expect no retaliation. To clarify, I meant legal retaliation using legal means like firing the racist person from their job. Burning down their car is…

I think you do have a right to hold a controversial opinion in public and not have your belongings destroyed because of it.

"That person said something I disagree with" doesn't imply that you have the right to demolish their property and their job.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by leereeves »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #115
leereeves wrote: post #73

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"Commit" should be clarified. We don't know who actually committed a crime. That should probably be either "arrested for" or "convicted of". "Suspected of" probably means "arrested for", but there too, the author has chosen a word that's unclear.

I would read that completely differently. The fact that 2.5x more immigrants are 'suspected' reads as a comment on racial profiling. Unless the author clarifies it's hard to read anything into the Sweden stat.

Judging by the other statements in the article, the author seems to have more interest in inspiring that doubt than in clarifying.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by [deleted] »

kahrkunne wrote: post #56
rmc wrote: post #28

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> Same as in Belgium then. They even throw stones at fire-fighters when they are doing their job. So nothing to worry about, right? Who reports that people do that? Tabloid newspapers? They've been lying about that for decades. After the 1989 Hillsbourogh disaster (where people died due to health & safety issues, and negligence from the police), tabloid newspaper The Sun wrote a full page headline accusing Liverpool…

Not Belgium but the Netherlands, I've seen it myself. Here it's a public issue, even being discussed in parliament.

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Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by megous »

dagenleg wrote: post #13
tormeh wrote: post #10

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Breitbart, RT etc. are obviously not valid sources.

I disagree. RT is very biased, but is fairly factual once you learn to ignore the bias. They do a lot of pretty impressive journalistic work, like frontline reporting. If you exclude it completely, you miss a big part of the picture.

You have to be very careful. They lie about even relatively inconsequential things. Like particular bombings in Syria.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFQdBHQjPHs

This one is back from the time of the siege of Aleppo last year. Frontline reporting is probably even more biased than anything else. Journalist speaking against the soldiers he's embedded with? What will happen next time he's embedded with any troops?

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by worldsayshi »

booleandilemma wrote: post #65

Relevant WSJ article: Trump Is Right: Sweden’s Embrace of Refugees Isn’t Working https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-is-right-swedens-embrace-...

Written by the leaders of Sweden's "alt-right" (for lack of better name) party the Sweden Democrats.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by tomp »

literallycancer wrote: post #102
akerro wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VICE made a pretty good material about no-go zones in Sweden and anti-racist groups that demolish your car, house, get you fired from job for liking wrong thing on Facebook.

How about linking the material? >and anti-racist groups that demolish your car, house, get you fired from job for liking wrong thing on Facebook. Yea. It's your prerogative to hold controversial opinions. But you certainly don't have any right to be publicly racist and expect no retaliation. To clarify, I meant legal retaliation using legal means like firing the racist person from their job. Burning down their car is…

When retaliation happens because you're pointing out facts (or assumed facts) without any ill intent, that becomes a problem.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by beefield »

polack wrote: post #70
otalp wrote: post #23

According to the official statistics on The Swedish Crime Survey, the sexual violence rate in Sweden remained about the same between 2005 and 2014. The refugee crisis began around 2014, and since then, the rates for sexual violence went down in 2015[1] something you never see mentioned on certain parts of the internet. 2016 saw an increase in crimes, but still less than pre-immigration levels in 2014. Also the Swedis…

It's totally irrelevant that the crimes has decreased. The point is that a majority of all violence and sexual crimes is performed by immigrants (as confirmed by Sweden's most famous crime professor GW a couple of days ago). Why are you so afraid to see that immigrants are over represented in this category of crimes?

> It's totally irrelevant that the crimes has decreased.

That depends. If you are looking for excuses for racism, it obviously is not relevant. But if you claim that the Swedish society has turned dangerous because of the immigrant crimes, it should be highly relevant for the discussion.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by facepalm »

otalp wrote: post #23

According to the official statistics on The Swedish Crime Survey, the sexual violence rate in Sweden remained about the same between 2005 and 2014. The refugee crisis began around 2014, and since then, the rates for sexual violence went down in 2015[1] something you never see mentioned on certain parts of the internet. 2016 saw an increase in crimes, but still less than pre-immigration levels in 2014. Also the Swedis…

Doesn't the claim about refugees in Germany use the same trick the Swedish Government uses? There are fewer refugees than native Germans, so even if the absolute number of crimes conducted by Germans would be higher than the absolute number of crimes by refugees, it doesn't say anything about the prevalence of crime in the populations.

For example, if you have 100 "native" Germans and 10 refugees, and there were 3 German criminals and 1 refugee criminal, 10% of refugees would be criminals, but only 3% of Germans, even though more Germans than refugees would be criminals.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by tomlock »

ra1n85 wrote: post #95
tomlock wrote: post #85

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Not sure what stats back up this claim. I've heard people say this movement is anti-globalization, about the economy, anti-PC, anti-establishment - yadda yadda yadda. Everyone has a theory, and it seems like people just choose the one they like best. Trump at the moment has a very low approval rating - maybe not everyone got what they read into him?

>Trump at the moment has a very low approval rating - maybe not everyone got what they read into him? Polls also predicted him to have less than a 10% chance of winning the election. Not all data is good data.

Most analysis showed he had some chance of winning, and he won by a relatively low margin.

If you rolled a ten sided dice once and it came up with a ten, would you feel repeated tests that showed there was a 10% chance of that outcome should be ignored in future?

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by epsylon »

demonshalo wrote: post #25

I would personally recommend you follow https://twitter.com/ArgBlatteTalar . He breaks down all the hypocrisy regarding this particular topic in his videos on YouTube. Sources for his video material can be found in the description box. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1_viPSD-bY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lsoZ0uDOGY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9Qwr6KvmUc

Yep, that guy totally seems like a reasonable and unbiased POV: https://twitter.com/ArgBlatteTalar/status/831600862866898954
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