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Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by dEnigma »

lenovouser wrote: post #175

"Swedish government agencies have nothing to gain from covering up statistics and facts; they seek an open and fact-based dialogue." > https://www.google.com/#q=Code+291 How about you stop lying to me?

Is that google search supposed to be convincing? Because the first result is from "Frontpage mag", where the blog headlines at the moment are "Finally: English Language Declared Racist", "Nuclear Weapons Aren't Going Anywhere" and "Environmental Protesters Burn 7-Year-Old Boy, Cause $1.2 Mil in Damage". Seems to have a pretty clear agenda. The second result is from "Infowars", I suppose I don't have to tell you that they are not exactly a reliable source. Third one is a website supposedly maintained by "anonymous journalist" who hide their names because they fear "political correctness". It continues in this manner as far as I can see. Not a single source that seems balanced or trustworthy. It might well be that this "Code 291" exists, but you'll have to show me more reliable evidence to convince me.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by polack »

zurn wrote: post #302
polack wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's totally irrelevant that the crimes has decreased. The point is that a majority of all violence and sexual crimes is performed by immigrants (as confirmed by Sweden's most famous crime professor GW a couple of days ago). Why are you so afraid to see that immigrants are over represented in this category of crimes?

> The point is that a majority of all violence and sexual crimes is performed by immigrants This claim is false, > (as confirmed by Sweden's most famous crime professor GW a couple of days ago) and this attribution is also false.

Source video: http://www.svtplay.se/video/12505960/veckans-brott/veckans-b...

He says that "if you look across the board on all convicted crimes it's half-half between natives and immigrants. But if you look at the more 'sensitive' crimes there is a significant over representation of immigrants"

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by Kurtz79 »

leereeves wrote: post #212
eksemplar wrote: post #199

Did you read the information provided? Here is the tldr as you obviously didn't. Crime has decreased in Sweden. Crime amongst immigrants in Sweden has decreased throughout the migrant crisis. Most violent crime in Sweden is performed by ethnical Swedes. Most sexual assaults in Sweden are performed by ethnical Swedes. These are official numbers from one of the least corrupt governments in the world, and if you want to…

Did you read the article? Yes, it says crime has decreased over the last 20-25 years. It also says that over the last few years: the level [of lethal violence] in 2015 – when a total of 112 cases of lethal violence were reported – was higher than for many years. lethal violence using firearms has increased within the context of criminal conflicts. The number of confirmed or suspected shootings was 20 per cent higher…

Guidelines (for parent also):

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

"Please don't insinuate that someone hasn't read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that." "

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by devmunchies »

_of wrote: post #308
devmunchies wrote: post #296

Why are many of Europe's leaders are childless? Isn't that strange? These people are creating laws and policies which will affect generations of people and they don't even have any skin in the game. They are fundamentally out of touch. Doing a google image search of "Angela Merkel Family" or "Stefan Löfven family" (PM of Sweden) and its night and day compared to "Barack Obama family" or "Donald Trump Family". Whether…

From a sample size of 2, let's conclude that many of Europe's leaders are childless!

Add Paolo Gentiloni (Italy) and Alexander Van der Bellen (Austria) and thats already 14% of european union. I shouldn't have said "many", but "more than comfortable".

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by mvdwoord »

_of wrote: post #308
devmunchies wrote: post #296

Why are many of Europe's leaders are childless? Isn't that strange? These people are creating laws and policies which will affect generations of people and they don't even have any skin in the game. They are fundamentally out of touch. Doing a google image search of "Angela Merkel Family" or "Stefan Löfven family" (PM of Sweden) and its night and day compared to "Barack Obama family" or "Donald Trump Family". Whether…

From a sample size of 2, let's conclude that many of Europe's leaders are childless!

A country only needs one leader to do significant damage. ;)

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by [deleted] »

literallycancer wrote: post #139
alicorn wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think one of the problems when talking about these issues is the frame of reference. I have lived in the most dangerous part of our town (Linköping) for several years. I come from Latvia where a 'dangerous' part of a town meant that you do not go there because you will be robbed / knifed / shot in broad daylight. It was absolutely not the case with the most dangerous part of Linköping, even though people who had no…

Exactly, using the Swedish tabloid definition of a "no-go zone", the poorer parts of most US cities would be no-go zones.

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Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by kohanz »

edblarney wrote: post #194
gaff33 wrote: post #113

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They talk about it in the article > People from foreign backgrounds are suspected of crimes more often than people from a Swedish background [...] In a later study, researchers at Stockholm University showed that the main difference in terms of criminal activity between immigrants and others in the population was due to differences in the socioeconomic conditions in which they grew up in Sweden. So it seems that whil…

"the main difference in terms of criminal activity between immigrants and others in the population was due to differences in the socioeconomic conditions in which they grew up in Sweden." This is a classic red-herring. 'They were poor therefore they have bad behaviours'. The failure of the logic is the assumption of correlation/causation. One might argue that 'bad behaviour will lead one to being poor'. I have no dou…

This post had a lot of thought and effort put into it. I have no idea why it's downvoted. Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with the premise, it's put forward in an excellent manner and that's what we should strive for here: quality discussion.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by readittwice »

pavlov wrote: post #63
barking wrote: post #17

It's a bit simplistic to speak only about migrants. In the case of Islamic terrorism, I've heard it commented that recruits come from the children of migrants rather than the migrants themselves. This certainly seemed to borne out by the London 7/7 bombers and the Charlie Hebdo attackers to name two cases. Prison populations in western countries also seem to have disproportionate numbers of ethnic minorities. I also…

... authorities commonly seem to want to accentuate the positive and sweep any negativity under the rug. Like the Trump administration, and the Hungarian government... No, wait, they do the exact opposite. I guess all authorities are not the same after all? And it's not just black and white either. Governments around the world consist of people with incredibly different backgrounds and political agendas. There is no…

Sure you need to be critical - but in both directions.

If you want to see the government trying to hide things, just look at Sylvester in Cologne and how long it took officials and the german TV channels to report/acknowledge what happened. If this information hadn't spread on Facebook, who knows if we would have ever known.

I am Austrian and until the migration crisis I've never felt misinformed. (BTW: Austria took more refugees per capita in than Germany) But this crisis changed that. It seemed the public media didn't just report, they wanted to persuade people to the right course. This is also about subtle things and therefore hard to prove: According to statistic refugees were about 70% male, but who was almost exclusively on the frontpage? Only women and children.

I can handle dubious or stupid Twitter/Facebook comments and chit-cat about what refugees supposedly did. The shocking thing was that public media was so one-sided. It is no coincidence that the name "lying press" got popular at this time. IMHO this was a general feeling that people had. That they didn't get the full story.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by sp332 »

acqq wrote: post #245
otalp wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a difference between 'people from foreign backgrounds' and refugees. Even in Germany, I wouldn't be surprised if 'people from foreign backgrounds' commit crimes at a higher rate when you don't adjust for socio-economic conditions. However the majority of Syrian refugees - about 70%[1][2][3] are women and children. Again, something that is rarely mentioned in certain parts of the internet. [1]- http://www.poli…

> However the majority of Syrian refugees - about 70%[1][2][3] are women and children. However the majority of all 2015 refugees aren't Syrian?

I was pretty sure they were actually. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34131911

Edit: I misread this chart... a lot. Syrians are the largest group but not the majority. Never mind!

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by oligopoly »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #195
oligopoly wrote: post #97

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Most of the crimes in Sweden is done by immigrants. Sweden is the rape capital of Europe. It's creepy to see this kind of behaviour condoned and labeled as nothing. Sweden: Rape Capital of the West https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape Everything is factual in that statement but seems to burst some peoples bubble.

You are deliberately lying and citing well-known unreliable sources. Why are you doing this? Are you trying to push some pre-concieved agenda? I genuinely don't understand.

UN rape statistics is unreliable source? It's creepy how lot of people downplay rape in this thread.
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