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Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by ra1n85 »

tomlock wrote: post #206
ra1n85 wrote: post #181

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Sorry you're confused. Point was pretty clear: US polling data was not found to correlate strongly with reality, so treat it with some suspicion. Can't really break it down further than that.

So saying an event has a 10% chance of happening, and then it happening after one roll of the dice, is enough reason to doubt the data?

Nope.

Polling was incapable of accurately determining what the odds really were. If that die was six-side, but I told you there was a consistent 10% chance of rolling a 1, then I'm providing you with a bad probability. The media and pollsters did the same (for whatever reason).

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by peteretep »

edblarney wrote: post #213
peteretep wrote: post #173

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> Socioeconomic factors are > not the major ones ... is your opinion, contradicted by the available evidence. You finish with a suggestion to call things "by its real names", so I will: pushing a false narrative of cultural superiority is racism. Begone.

"... is your opinion, contradicted by the available evidence" This is false. In fact - the evidence points much more strongly towards 'behaviour' than it does 'economic status'. (By the way, I'm not making the case entirely that 'ethnicity is it' - rather, saying that there's tons of evidence to support it. I believe that it's rather more complicated). 'Economic status' is loosely correlated with crime in the USA for…

Can we exit crazy world for a moment and say that "there's tons of evidence" doesn't cut it unless you provide that evidence?

The level of rampant irrationality here is disheartening.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by edblarney »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #115
leereeves wrote: post #73

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"Commit" should be clarified. We don't know who actually committed a crime. That should probably be either "arrested for" or "convicted of". "Suspected of" probably means "arrested for", but there too, the author has chosen a word that's unclear.

I would read that completely differently. The fact that 2.5x more immigrants are 'suspected' reads as a comment on racial profiling. Unless the author clarifies it's hard to read anything into the Sweden stat.

It depends on the context.

Generally, the most valid data from crime apparently comes from 'victimization surveys' - as opposed to actual police data, which is politicized.

So, from victimization surveys - people can only necessarily be 'suspected' of a crime i.e. 'were you robbed in the last year'? Well, if the person answered 'yes' - then the language may only imply that a specific individual was 'suspected' of a crime. Also, it's pretty difficult to determine ethnicity.

So this may not simply be a case of 'police suspects' vs 'police arrests' etc.. It's complicated. Better to have the references.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by interfixus »

ue_ wrote: post #98
interfixus wrote: post #57

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In your Twitter account, you seem ready enough to admit the reality of political violence, and even to commend it. (Retweet: "If US folks wanna see more nazi punching, just look at the attempted Pegida rally last year in Dublin. alt-hugs given freely")

I personally agree with him, I can't see the problem.

Having myself been attacked by a frothing gang of leftist 'protesters' at a legitimate and absolutely peaceful demonstration, I guarantee you, I can see the problem.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by aaron-lebo »

peteretep wrote: post #218
aaron-lebo wrote: post #185

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Cultures advance. Some are more refined and progressive than others. The practice of throwing homosexuals to their deaths is obviously not enlightened. Of course other cultures have their faults, too, but to argue that comparing cultures is racism is willfully ignorant.

The parent comment stated that differences were due to culture and not baseline economic status. This is inspite of evidence. What alternative explanation - other than racism or ignorance - is there for that mistruth?

Culture != race.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by johnsea »

otalp wrote: post #23

According to the official statistics on The Swedish Crime Survey, the sexual violence rate in Sweden remained about the same between 2005 and 2014. The refugee crisis began around 2014, and since then, the rates for sexual violence went down in 2015[1] something you never see mentioned on certain parts of the internet. 2016 saw an increase in crimes, but still less than pre-immigration levels in 2014. Also the Swedis…

I don't know. Maybe HN should refrain from this subject.

Never trust any statistics that you didn't... - Believe this or go with the anecdotal real-world experience from a cop, linked below, Peter Springare, see e.g. http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/764574/Political-Sweden-.... Never read about it in 'good' newspaper before. So who knows? The politic is under much pressure to tell the 'right' things now.

I just wish they would just tell the delicate numbers, e.g. ethnical, religious, economic, background of inmates, terror, crime. And allow to talk about it freely. We now are a data driven society, why not here? Why afraid?

Why not give (collect) the full data? (I browsed around a bit, but I think I would need more detailed raw data to say something)

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by rndgermandude »

freeflight wrote: post #187
polack wrote: post #70

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It's totally irrelevant that the crimes has decreased. The point is that a majority of all violence and sexual crimes is performed by immigrants (as confirmed by Sweden's most famous crime professor GW a couple of days ago). Why are you so afraid to see that immigrants are over represented in this category of crimes?

>The point is that a majority of all violence and sexual crimes is performed by immigrants Source please? Because the available data, at least for Germany, does not support this claim at all. Latest BKA report from first quarter of 2016 puts the amount of "offenses against sexual self-determination" for migrants at 1.10%. [1] As somebody who's lived over 10 years right next to Bavaria's biggest initial reception cent…

Not attempting to prove the grandparent right (because they are not), but the 1.1% figure is misleading. It's the portion of migrant crimes that are sex crimes, not the portion of sex crimes committed by migrants of the all sex crimes.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by otalp »

vowelless wrote: post #172
otalp wrote: post #23

According to the official statistics on The Swedish Crime Survey, the sexual violence rate in Sweden remained about the same between 2005 and 2014. The refugee crisis began around 2014, and since then, the rates for sexual violence went down in 2015[1] something you never see mentioned on certain parts of the internet. 2016 saw an increase in crimes, but still less than pre-immigration levels in 2014. Also the Swedis…

> The refugee crisis began around 2014, and since then, the rates for sexual violence went down in 2015[1] Based on your link, it seems clear that the rates went up in 2015 (unless I am grossly misreading that graph). For 2014 it was a little less than 2%. For 2015 it is more than 3%.

You're presumably reading the graph of the % of population polled every year who say "they've been exposed to sex offences"(not necessarily in that specific year), not the actual yearly crime rates, which are lower down and which state:

"In 2015, a total of 18,100 sex offences were reported; this is an 11 per cent decrease as compared with 2014. The number of rapes reported to police decreased by 12 per cent to 5,920 between 2014 and 2015. Reported offences regarding sexual molestation and sexual coercion, exploitation etc. also decreased to 8,840 (-8 %) and 1,430 (-6 %) respectively. "

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by fpig »

dagenleg wrote: post #204
fpig wrote: post #163

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Yes, there are even worse pieces of trash than RT somewhere out there. There's a paper in my country that claims the Earth is flat, that's not the sort of media I am comparing RT to because I don't trust those papers at all either. The New Gazette (Gorbachev's paper) is internal Russian media and did not run a full retard propaganda campaign on this issue. They printed "Forgive us, Netherlands" on their cover page. T…

I don't think I would be too wrong to group RT journalists with the same people who instigated the Iraq war or the Libya fiasco. Sorry, but the western media that reported on "Gadaffi supplying troops with viagra to rape better" is as credible as the Kremlin mouthpiece to me. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/29/diplomat-gadda...

So I assume you found the worst article you could remember, and even in this article you can at least see traces of journalistic integrity that is completely absent in RT:

> But it is a jump from that to suggesting Gaddafi is supplying troops with it to encourage mass rape.

> US ambassador Susan Rice has also said, without offering evidence, that Iran was helping Syria to suppress dissent

That's some serious mental gymnastics just to argue the old "everyone is the same" line when RT is literally a 100% propaganda paper of the Russian government.

The Guardian specifically was one of the main drivers of both Manning and Snowden leaks. They have earned the right to be called a serious paper.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by orcdork »

polack wrote: post #70
otalp wrote: post #23

According to the official statistics on The Swedish Crime Survey, the sexual violence rate in Sweden remained about the same between 2005 and 2014. The refugee crisis began around 2014, and since then, the rates for sexual violence went down in 2015[1] something you never see mentioned on certain parts of the internet. 2016 saw an increase in crimes, but still less than pre-immigration levels in 2014. Also the Swedis…

It's totally irrelevant that the crimes has decreased. The point is that a majority of all violence and sexual crimes is performed by immigrants (as confirmed by Sweden's most famous crime professor GW a couple of days ago). Why are you so afraid to see that immigrants are over represented in this category of crimes?

Hah, what a joke.

Leif GW Persson is famous for writing books and being on tv shows - not for being a crime professor (and he is no longer a professor of criminology). There's a reason googling his name comes up with breitbart first, and goodreads second.

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