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Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by leereeves »

literallycancer wrote: post #164
leereeves wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you made just the leap the authors intended you to. I wish the authors had included a link to that study so we could see what "suspected of" means exactly.

I don't need a link to a study to tell you what it means. The meaning is exactly the same as in normal speech, too bad for you since you'll have to do even more mental gymnastics to resolve your cognitive dissonance. It means someone was suspected (e.g. were at any time a suspect during the investigation), regardless of whether they actually committed anything or not.

You don't want to read the actual study before jumping to conclusions?

Ok then.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by vowelless »

otalp wrote: post #23

According to the official statistics on The Swedish Crime Survey, the sexual violence rate in Sweden remained about the same between 2005 and 2014. The refugee crisis began around 2014, and since then, the rates for sexual violence went down in 2015[1] something you never see mentioned on certain parts of the internet. 2016 saw an increase in crimes, but still less than pre-immigration levels in 2014. Also the Swedis…

> The refugee crisis began around 2014, and since then, the rates for sexual violence went down in 2015[1]

Based on your link, it seems clear that the rates went up in 2015 (unless I am grossly misreading that graph).

For 2014 it was a little less than 2%. For 2015 it is more than 3%.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by peteretep »

lngnmn wrote: post #142
gaff33 wrote: post #113

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They talk about it in the article > People from foreign backgrounds are suspected of crimes more often than people from a Swedish background [...] In a later study, researchers at Stockholm University showed that the main difference in terms of criminal activity between immigrants and others in the population was due to differences in the socioeconomic conditions in which they grew up in Sweden. So it seems that whil…

This is plainly wrong. Socioeconomic factors are not the major ones. Culture, habits and social conditioning in general are. People who do not share (or even comprehend) the shared values of other cultures have no respect to them and perceive others as "aliens". This works both ways. The cultural incompatibility and different social conditioning are the major factors. Basically, well-educated people of any origin wou…

    > Socioeconomic factors are
    > not the major ones
... is your opinion, contradicted by the available evidence. You finish with a suggestion to call things "by its real names", so I will: pushing a false narrative of cultural superiority is racism. Begone.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by otalp »

lngnmn wrote: post #142
gaff33 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They talk about it in the article > People from foreign backgrounds are suspected of crimes more often than people from a Swedish background [...] In a later study, researchers at Stockholm University showed that the main difference in terms of criminal activity between immigrants and others in the population was due to differences in the socioeconomic conditions in which they grew up in Sweden. So it seems that whil…

This is plainly wrong. Socioeconomic factors are not the major ones. Culture, habits and social conditioning in general are. People who do not share (or even comprehend) the shared values of other cultures have no respect to them and perceive others as "aliens". This works both ways. The cultural incompatibility and different social conditioning are the major factors. Basically, well-educated people of any origin wou…

What are your sources that try to prove that socioeconomic factors are not 'the major ones', to the extent that that you can confidently state that it is 'plainly' wrong to attribute differences to poverty and lack of education?

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by sundvor »

literallycancer wrote: post #139
alicorn wrote: post #83

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I think one of the problems when talking about these issues is the frame of reference. I have lived in the most dangerous part of our town (Linköping) for several years. I come from Latvia where a 'dangerous' part of a town meant that you do not go there because you will be robbed / knifed / shot in broad daylight. It was absolutely not the case with the most dangerous part of Linköping, even though people who had no…

Exactly, using the Swedish tabloid definition of a "no-go zone", the poorer parts of most US cities would be no-go zones.

This. The relative safety between Scandinavian countries and most of the US really needs to be brought up more.

As far as gun violence goes, the US almost turned into a no-go country as far as myself is concerned.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by aaron-lebo »

brown9-2 wrote: post #148
facepalm wrote: post #134

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I'd say THAT is irrelevant. If I become victim of a crime, it doesn't console me if the perpetrator is poor. I just don't want to become a victim of a crime.

It is relevant to the topic of how to prevent crime - it tells you that eliminating immigration won't help, but that addressing poverty will.

Cutting off immigration is not some kind of autosolution, but if immigrants commit higher levels of crime compared to the rest of the population, eliminating immigration would help.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by etatoby »

edmccard wrote: post #100
Sacho wrote: post #34

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Thank you for the actual statistics; can you provide a source for the legislative change? I found sources for 2005 and 2008 changes, but not one for 2013. There's also one particular thing that doesn't pass the smell test for me from your German article: "Less than 1 percent of the total crimes committed by refugees are sex crimes, going against rumours spread on social media that these have become more common with t…

>>"Less than 1 percent of the total crimes committed by refugees are sex crimes" That seems to mean something different than "less than 1 percent of total sex crimes are committed by refugees".

Precisely. These articles are full of Bayesian conceptual mistakes like this. It's going to be hard to prove anything without the source figures.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by tdkl »

maaaats wrote: post #86
tdkl wrote: post #76

Swedish source confirms Swedish political narrative, very trust worthy. /s Let's go and convince all the victims of crimes in recent years that they're just imaginging things and they're safer then ever. And hand out more "don't grope me" bracelets for extra protection[1]. [1] http://www.thelocal.se/20160629/swedish-police-to-hand-out-a... [edit] Classic HN, don't forget to upvote the guy who says physically assaulti…

> Let's go and convince all the victims of crimes in recent years that they're just imaginging things and they're safer then ever. No one has said crimes haven't happened. Your post is a giant straw man.

Well honestly I don't even care what happens in Sweden, because they're responsible for themselves. Their case will be an example for the whole EU soon enough.

I do know that I won't support the same policy in my country though, because just avoiding the risk of such crimes is with a measure like this is worth enough.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by cromulent »

oligopoly wrote: post #97
otalp wrote: post #23

According to the official statistics on The Swedish Crime Survey, the sexual violence rate in Sweden remained about the same between 2005 and 2014. The refugee crisis began around 2014, and since then, the rates for sexual violence went down in 2015[1] something you never see mentioned on certain parts of the internet. 2016 saw an increase in crimes, but still less than pre-immigration levels in 2014. Also the Swedis…

Most of the crimes in Sweden is done by immigrants. Sweden is the rape capital of Europe. It's creepy to see this kind of behaviour condoned and labeled as nothing. Sweden: Rape Capital of the West https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape Everything is factual in that statement but seems to burst some peoples bubble.

The original chart used in the report you reference comes with cautions in interpreting Sweden's position, which do not seem to have been heeded by the authors of the report.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#Sweden

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