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Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by SolaceQuantum »

ra1n85 wrote: post #95
tomlock wrote: post #85

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Not sure what stats back up this claim. I've heard people say this movement is anti-globalization, about the economy, anti-PC, anti-establishment - yadda yadda yadda. Everyone has a theory, and it seems like people just choose the one they like best. Trump at the moment has a very low approval rating - maybe not everyone got what they read into him?

>Trump at the moment has a very low approval rating - maybe not everyone got what they read into him? Polls also predicted him to have less than a 10% chance of winning the election. Not all data is good data.

So now I'm confused. Does a low approval rate matter, is it "bad data"? What defines "bad data"? Say the statistics running around this thread specifically about crime in countries, broken down by race and type or crime, or broken down further by region within counties too. How does one determine "good data" vs "bad data" here?

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by partisan »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #118
trendia wrote: post #11

The way this is worded is weird: Claim: "In Sweden there are a number of 'no-go zones' where criminality and gangs have taken over and where the emergency services do not dare to go." Facts: No. In a report published in February 2016, the Swedish Police Authority identified 53 residential areas around the country that have become increasingly marred by crime, social unrest and insecurity. These places have been incor…

It's strangely worded because "no-go area" is a dog-whistle that means a lot more to certain groups than others. There's a whole bunch of people who think Muslims are secretly taking over western nations, and being aided by Jews. As part of that they believe they are literally setting up whole cities under Islamic law. This is why Obama not being born in Kenya can seem like political trivia to one person, but evidenc…

So that I can correctly align my world view with yours, under what circumstances can one use the terms "Sharia" and "Muslim brotherhood"?

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by fpig »

dagenleg wrote: post #79
fpig wrote: post #35

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RT factual? You must have not been following their Ukraine coverage. They're likely the biggest liars of all mainstream media. They were somewhat OK until the Ukraine crisis started, that's when they started going full-retard. RT published an article about the Ukrainian army shooting down that Malaysian passenger plane. I am not sure if it still exists, but I have read it on their web site. Then they quickly started…

Frankly, compared to internal Russian and Ukrainian news they were the epitome of unbiased journalism. The Ukrainian coverage was and is very subjective, but they did not resort to outright lies much more than media usually does. Malaysian plane is a very good example of this - they were floating a lot of mad theories absolving Moscow of any guilt but in the end they were still reported just as "versions". It's very…

Yes, there are even worse pieces of trash than RT somewhere out there. There's a paper in my country that claims the Earth is flat, that's not the sort of media I am comparing RT to because I don't trust those papers at all either.

The New Gazette (Gorbachev's paper) is internal Russian media and did not run a full retard propaganda campaign on this issue. They printed "Forgive us, Netherlands" on their cover page. This is the paper that has had something like 5 journalists assassinated in the last decade for actually doing their job.

By presenting RT as somehow not particularly bad you are lowering the bar all the way to the ground and disrespecting thousands of honest journalists who work hard to inform the public about the wrongdoing of those in power. None of those people work for RT. RT is a pure propaganda paper. Journalists in my country have taken down people in our government and even sent them to prison by relentless digging for the truth. They have been killed in their pursuit of justice. Throwing actual journalists into the same basket with RT indicates an extremely warped perspective.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by literallycancer »

leereeves wrote: post #84
literallycancer wrote: post #74

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>> According to the most recent study, people from foreign backgrounds are 2.5 times more likely to be suspected of crimes than people born in Sweden to Swedish-born parents. What do you imply exactly? So Swedish police are more likely to suspect you if you are a foreigner, how unexpected.

I think you made just the leap the authors intended you to. I wish the authors had included a link to that study so we could see what "suspected of" means exactly.

I don't need a link to a study to tell you what it means. The meaning is exactly the same as in normal speech, too bad for you since you'll have to do even more mental gymnastics to resolve your cognitive dissonance.

It means someone was suspected (e.g. were at any time a suspect during the investigation), regardless of whether they actually committed anything or not.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by dagenleg »

megous wrote: post #124
dagenleg wrote: post #13

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I disagree. RT is very biased, but is fairly factual once you learn to ignore the bias. They do a lot of pretty impressive journalistic work, like frontline reporting. If you exclude it completely, you miss a big part of the picture.

You have to be very careful. They lie about even relatively inconsequential things. Like particular bombings in Syria. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFQdBHQjPHs This one is back from the time of the siege of Aleppo last year. Frontline reporting is probably even more biased than anything else. Journalist speaking against the soldiers he's embedded with? What will happen next time he's embedded with any troops?

Correct me if I am wrong, but it's just about the thumbnail inappropriately used in one of the videos. Not about the report itself or the factual errors in it. Just the thumbnail which was probably assigned from some stock of "Syrian war destruction photos". That's sounds more like sloppy work than a deliberate lie.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

gaff33 wrote: post #113
polack wrote: post #70

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It's totally irrelevant that the crimes has decreased. The point is that a majority of all violence and sexual crimes is performed by immigrants (as confirmed by Sweden's most famous crime professor GW a couple of days ago). Why are you so afraid to see that immigrants are over represented in this category of crimes?

They talk about it in the article > People from foreign backgrounds are suspected of crimes more often than people from a Swedish background [...] In a later study, researchers at Stockholm University showed that the main difference in terms of criminal activity between immigrants and others in the population was due to differences in the socioeconomic conditions in which they grew up in Sweden. So it seems that whil…

> So it seems that whilst immigrants are suspected of more crimes than average, they commit the same amount of crime as poor deprived members of indigenous populations.

"Commit the same level of crime as the subset of the population who commit the highest level of crime" does not sound very reassuring.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by leereeves »

croon wrote: post #145
facepalm wrote: post #134

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I'd say THAT is irrelevant. If I become victim of a crime, it doesn't console me if the perpetrator is poor. I just don't want to become a victim of a crime.

The point isn't to console you. The point is to explain why crime happens, so it can be mitigated. Ie: * Stop immigration. OR * Integrate poor people into society, the workforce, etc.

Those aren't in conflict.

Immigration of more poor people from a different culture makes the already difficult task of integrating poor people even more difficult.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by scribu »

Pxtl wrote: post #104

Can we not do this in HN? I've watched many communities I used to enjoy get ruined by flamewars over Islamophobia and immigration, and I'd rather not see that happen here.

I'd like to think that HN can host civil, fact-based discussions about sensitive issues like these.

If it can't, then perhaps the community isn't that special after all.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by mseebach »

dagenleg wrote: post #96
orcdork wrote: post #53

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That's a great excuse for making a semi-totalitarian government mouthpiece look like it's credible news.

On the contrary, I am saying that there are no credible news to be found. Sure, RT is a mouthpiece, but it's unwise to lock yourself in a bubble where all media you consume follows the same party line.

That argument is about as intellectually sound as saying "evolution is only a theory" (correct) "so creationism is equally valid" (wrong).

("It's bad to be locked into a party-line bubble" (correct) "so it's good advice to add RT and Breitbart to your daily media diet" (wrong))

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by brorfred »

qofcourse wrote: post #82
literallycancer wrote: post #74

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>> According to the most recent study, people from foreign backgrounds are 2.5 times more likely to be suspected of crimes than people born in Sweden to Swedish-born parents. What do you imply exactly? So Swedish police are more likely to suspect you if you are a foreigner, how unexpected.

It's worse than that. People from foreign backgrounds are probably committing far more crimes than this suggests - but because the police are so politically correct, they UNDERREPORT crimes by foreigners.

Have you ever met the Swedish police? Does the term "baseball gang" say anything?
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