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Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by autokad »

trendia wrote: post #21
koonsolo wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same as in Belgium then. They even throw stones at fire-fighters when they are doing their job. So nothing to worry about, right? And I don't know if it is the same in Sweden, but you are not really politically allowed to say what kind of people live in those neighborhoods. So again, nothing to worry about.

Well according to this article, crime across the whole country has gone down, so who really cares if there are pockets where the violence is so bad that police can't do their job? I mean, who cares if there are 30 gernade attacks in Malmo [0] as long as overall deaths in Stockholm habe gone down by more than 30? [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_S...

"The number of confirmed or suspected shootings was 20 per cent higher in 2014 than in 2006. The statistics also show that 17 people were killed with firearms in 2011, while the corresponding figure in 2015 was 33."

does anyone else find it strange how they keep jumping around in (what feels like arbitrary) years?

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by yAnonymous »

That actually draws a somewhat dire picture.

Even using hand picked numbers to try and alleviate people's fears, they have to admit that the main assumptions about immigrant crime are correct and that many areas are in fact turning into "shitholes", for lack of a better term.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by peteretep »

koonsolo wrote: post #12
trendia wrote: post #11

The way this is worded is weird: Claim: "In Sweden there are a number of 'no-go zones' where criminality and gangs have taken over and where the emergency services do not dare to go." Facts: No. In a report published in February 2016, the Swedish Police Authority identified 53 residential areas around the country that have become increasingly marred by crime, social unrest and insecurity. These places have been incor…

Same as in Belgium then. They even throw stones at fire-fighters when they are doing their job. So nothing to worry about, right? And I don't know if it is the same in Sweden, but you are not really politically allowed to say what kind of people live in those neighborhoods. So again, nothing to worry about.

    > not really politically
    > allowed to say what kind
    > of people live in those
    > neighborhoods
Same answer it's been for the last 500 years? Poor people with rampant underemployment?

Wonder what America would be like today if they'd cleared out all Italian and Irish immigrants 100 years ago because of immigrant ghettos?

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

#45

Post by Claudus »

The level of government level censorship in Sweden is concerning. Maybe worries over negative reaction in the native population are used to justify hiding crime statistics, but I think it will lead to a violent backlash eventually.

It's shocking to me that "grenade attacks" have virtually become an every day occurrence.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_S...

Refugee centers have already been burned down in several instances, and anti-migrant sentiment is growing.

I really don't see how the large scale immigration going on in a Europe is going to result in a positive result, at least in short term over the next few generations.

I think it's incredibly irresponsible to encourage migration without being able provide productive meaningful lives to the migrants. People are not pets.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

#46

Post by paublyrne »

koonsolo wrote: post #12
trendia wrote: post #11

The way this is worded is weird: Claim: "In Sweden there are a number of 'no-go zones' where criminality and gangs have taken over and where the emergency services do not dare to go." Facts: No. In a report published in February 2016, the Swedish Police Authority identified 53 residential areas around the country that have become increasingly marred by crime, social unrest and insecurity. These places have been incor…

Same as in Belgium then. They even throw stones at fire-fighters when they are doing their job. So nothing to worry about, right? And I don't know if it is the same in Sweden, but you are not really politically allowed to say what kind of people live in those neighborhoods. So again, nothing to worry about.

There are areas in Dublin where children and teenagers throw stones at fire brigades and they are certainly not immigrants. These are old white Irish areas. What sets them apart is high levels of unemployment, poverty and under employment.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

#47

Post by peteretep »

reacweb wrote: post #32
rmc wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Same as in Belgium then. They even throw stones at fire-fighters when they are doing their job. So nothing to worry about, right? Who reports that people do that? Tabloid newspapers? They've been lying about that for decades. After the 1989 Hillsbourogh disaster (where people died due to health & safety issues, and negligence from the police), tabloid newspaper The Sun wrote a full page headline accusing Liverpool…

you mean that the cost issues of bulletproof vest for firefighter were also fabrication ?

Presumably, as you haven't added any source for your anecfact?

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

#49

Post by hogrammer »

autokad wrote: post #41
trendia wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well according to this article, crime across the whole country has gone down, so who really cares if there are pockets where the violence is so bad that police can't do their job? I mean, who cares if there are 30 gernade attacks in Malmo [0] as long as overall deaths in Stockholm habe gone down by more than 30? [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_S...

"The number of confirmed or suspected shootings was 20 per cent higher in 2014 than in 2006. The statistics also show that 17 people were killed with firearms in 2011, while the corresponding figure in 2015 was 33." does anyone else find it strange how they keep jumping around in (what feels like arbitrary) years?

It's not strange if you know why they're doing it.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

#50

Post by leereeves »

otalp wrote: post #23

According to the official statistics on The Swedish Crime Survey, the sexual violence rate in Sweden remained about the same between 2005 and 2014. The refugee crisis began around 2014, and since then, the rates for sexual violence went down in 2015[1] something you never see mentioned on certain parts of the internet. 2016 saw an increase in crimes, but still less than pre-immigration levels in 2014. Also the Swedis…

> In Germany, refugees are less likely to commit a crime than the average citizen

Meanwhile in Sweden:

> According to the most recent study, people from foreign backgrounds are 2.5 times more likely to be suspected of crimes than people born in Sweden to Swedish-born parents.

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