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This is just the flip side of the coin of the cheater: people inflating their egos about something that really doesn't matter. Have fun with it. It doesn't matter if you win and it doesn't matter if someone cheats.
You could say that about all sports competitions...
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A little surprised to see this on the front page of HN, but I don't think we can deny that running is probably the nerdiest of sports. Anyway, that's nice that she owned up to it. Most of the cheaters don't. As a guy who's no doubt proved my running bonafides -- 3:06 marathon pr + there's a picture of me on the Western States 100 wikipedia page -- I always wonder why people get so angry about this kind of thing. I me…
Cheating and doping both make me very angry as a casual athlete. I don't let it ruin my day, but it annoys me. Like come on, we are training 10h a week to go pay money to run a race and get a $1 medal. Let's kinda sorta keep it fair?
I train Brazilian Jiu Jitsu with a bunch of guys that are on steroids and it doesn't bother me a bit. In my mind I just handicap myself vs their strength advantage so I'm happy with my relative performance.
I am not of the few vocal minority here who sympathizes with the person who cheated. Marathons are shared, sacred experiences organized by a community of volunteers. The marathoninvestigation.com author is protecting that which is sacred and shared among the running community. That is a noble cause and worth commending.
I agree but perhaps it's because the majority of apologists do not truly appreciate the challenges of running such races that they place a higher value on an amateur runner's privacy than the results of an arbitrary running event being skewed by a cheater.
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This runner cheated consciously, lied afterward, covered up the cheat with a conspiracy later (biking the route to create a fake data trail). Its hard to smear any investigation as 'obsessive' compared to that. And cheating at public events is not innocent. Its a rupture of the social contract, up there with stealing and libel. It should be dealt with promptly and vigorously. She should be banned from all further eve…
I think those who would forgive her believe that the response is disproportionate, and that the cheating doesn't rate worldwide infamy. I guess I side with runnr_az on this in that what she did is not right but it also isn't very important. But maybe he and I share the same worldview on running and racing, in that in almost all cases racing's value comes from doing the race, not the result. Yes, in the moment I'll do…
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Ah, yes, that's a good point. Once it's on the internet it's there forever.
Not just that - race records like this are public. Even a piece which said only "second place runner in this marathon cheated" would be easy to connect to her name.
It would be - if people actually cared to check. Most don't, though. We know this.
For me the most interesting tidbit is that she biked the entire race afterwards in a cover up attempt. Are there any studies on doing something wrong and escalating it with coverup attempts? Or is there a name for this that I'm not aware of? I know it has to be the theme of at least one classical drama...sort of a reverse "Hans in Luck" of sorts...I dunno. I have witnessed this pattern before and the spiral that pers…
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/8282185/san-francisco-gia...
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I think those who would forgive her believe that the response is disproportionate, and that the cheating doesn't rate worldwide infamy. I guess I side with runnr_az on this in that what she did is not right but it also isn't very important. But maybe he and I share the same worldview on running and racing, in that in almost all cases racing's value comes from doing the race, not the result. Yes, in the moment I'll do…
That seems like a kind of double-think. The race is important or it isn't; its meaningful to ban her or it isn't. If the race isn't that important, then 'banned for life' is a symbolic gesture only.
For me the most interesting tidbit is that she biked the entire race afterwards in a cover up attempt. Are there any studies on doing something wrong and escalating it with coverup attempts? Or is there a name for this that I'm not aware of? I know it has to be the theme of at least one classical drama...sort of a reverse "Hans in Luck" of sorts...I dunno. I have witnessed this pattern before and the spiral that pers…
Marcus Einfeld comes to mind. A formerly well respected Australian judge who perjured himself over a $77 speeding ticket by blaming it on dead Americans and received 3 years in prison for the string of lies he told to trying to cover it up. Madness. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Einfeld#Criminal_convic...
First the judge tried to blame Teresa Brennan, "an old friend" from the USA. Turns out she was dead, and he knew it.
But then he claimed that he had lent his car on that day to a different Teresa Brennan, whom he claimed also lived in the USA, and who had also died.
When various TV shows have comically stupid plot twists I sometimes struggle with "suspension of disbelief". But this is one of those cases where truth is far stranger than fiction. You'd never believe someone in such a position of trust could be so stupid over something so petty.
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PewDiePie was a public figure already. The person in the article was not. The person caught cheating has no platform from which to defend themselves. PewDiePie made $15million from his platform.
You are setting your own personal threshold here's that many people won't agree with. She put herself out there as a paid blogger with her name attached to her work. Shes as much a public figure in her niche circle as pewddiepie is a public figure in his niche circle. The money difference is irrelevant, the NASA scientists who made that announcement yesterday are much closer to her earning level than they are to pewd…
Lets look at US law. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_figure) A public figure (like Pewpiedie) " A public figure (such as a politician, celebrity, or business leader) cannot base a lawsuit on incorrect harmful statements unless there is proof that the writer or publisher acted with actual malice (knowledge of falsity or reckless disregard for the truth).[1] The burden of proof in defamation actions is higher in the case of a public figure."
The marathoner is not a celebrity nor does she base her livelihood on being a public figure.
From a U.S. libel/slander perspective there is a clear legal distinction - its not my opinion.
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Why do you think this is public shaming? If so, majority of newspapers are about public shaming. It's actually decent investigation here.
It's made public so people can discus and judge. Problem with this approach is that it will not only shame, but also mark a target for offenders, so it's not only adjudication, it's a act of aggression. Think about police investigators. Why are they not publishing full names and faces of criminals? EDIT On second thought, public shaming is consequence of something more important. If race officials would pay for repor…