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Newspapers are about public shaming and a significant portion of the public is sick of it. I mean, look at what the WSJ tried to do to PewDiePie, how the rest of the media piled on, and how people reacted.
PewDiePie was a public figure already. The person in the article was not. The person caught cheating has no platform from which to defend themselves. PewDiePie made $15million from his platform.
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Newspapers are about public shaming and a significant portion of the public is sick of it. I mean, look at what the WSJ tried to do to PewDiePie, how the rest of the media piled on, and how people reacted.
PewDiePie was a public figure already. The person in the article was not. The person caught cheating has no platform from which to defend themselves. PewDiePie made $15million from his platform.
A Huffington Post writer is at least as much a public figure as a scientist with the ESA, and has more of a platform for self defense.
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I think you missed the point as well. The newspaper coverage of her public deception and lying is on par with the benefits that she would otherwise try to benefit from by building up her image on fake wins and defrauding people who have trained harder to get those same results - and somehow we're supposed to give her a pass because she might want to have another public trust position in the future? She should work an…
For the record, I absolutely do not condone what she did. What she did was very dishonest and she has paid the price. Merely pointing out what has already been said elsewhere in the thread that the internet, as a medium of communication, can deliver outsized punishments long after any "crime" has been committed.
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Newspapers are about public shaming and a significant portion of the public is sick of it. I mean, look at what the WSJ tried to do to PewDiePie, how the rest of the media piled on, and how people reacted.
PewDiePie was a public figure already. The person in the article was not. The person caught cheating has no platform from which to defend themselves. PewDiePie made $15million from his platform.
The money difference is irrelevant, the NASA scientists who made that announcement yesterday are much closer to her earning level than they are to pewdiepie and much more well known than either.
She has the same platforms available to post her rebuttal as pewdiepie does, the medium she used for all her articles.
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Why should someone who cheated at a PUBLIC event and very publicly claimed the prize and actively misled other runners and the judging committee not be exposed publicly? Is it not in the public interest to punish these peoples? Or should we never report on such misdeeds for fear of any personal and professional retribution? Isn't that part of being a responsible adult in a civil society? She's a sponsored running/lif…
I think you are missing his point. There is nothing wrong with the methodology (using her own Garmin watch as conclusive evidence) but there is something to be said about the medium through which she was exposed (the Internet). The problem is the Internet never forgets so even if she learns a hard lesson from her actions and chooses to become a changed person (ala becoming a coach/public speaker/etc), her name will s…
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Cheating and doping both make me very angry as a casual athlete. I don't let it ruin my day, but it annoys me. Like come on, we are training 10h a week to go pay money to run a race and get a $1 medal. Let's kinda sorta keep it fair?
Obviously, I'm not gonna defend those behaviors. It's kind of a cliche, but they're really only cheating themselves. As for the rest of us, who are we really racing against? Sure, there are the handful of jerks who you battle it out with on the local scene... and if one of those guys were to cheat, you're right, that would feel personal and that would piss me off. But if some other random runner cut the course? Aren'…
Not to be too tangential but I'm actually looking for a good running watch (I'm just getting back into running) and possibly heart rate monitor + gps. I noticed in the article they show her watch (to show the discrepancy in distance). What watch is that? What is the running software? EDIT (I missed the Garmin 235 link and paragraph). I am not sure how I missed it over and over (I was using my phone) and yes I feel du…
A review on Amazon pretty much sums up all the bullet points for what I was looking for and meets and or exceeds all of them:
- GPS tracking
- Heart rate monitor
- Onboard music storage
- Smart notifications
- Battery life
https://www.amazon.com/Polar-Smart-Sports-Watch-black/dp/B01...
Also the Android Wear 2.0 update has been confirmed coming down the pipe to this watch as well this spring.
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I don't agree that it's innocent. Competitors in marathons (the ones that have a chance of winning especially) have put a lot of time, energy, effort, and pain into training to be successful. To have their rewards for that effort and commitment stolen by someone who didn't earn it is not fair and should be scrutinized and called out. To call this "trivial" seems like maybe you have no interest or experience with mara…
A little surprised to see this on the front page of HN, but I don't think we can deny that running is probably the nerdiest of sports. Anyway, that's nice that she owned up to it. Most of the cheaters don't. As a guy who's no doubt proved my running bonafides -- 3:06 marathon pr + there's a picture of me on the Western States 100 wikipedia page -- I always wonder why people get so angry about this kind of thing. I me…
Not nearly as laudable as admitting it as soon as someone accused her of cheating.
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> I mean, sure, it's not cool to cheat, but this ain't the Olympics. Who gives a shit? People who value fair play and personal honor more highly than you do. (well, you asked) > Nothing is getting "stolen," Those whose rankings are affected by the cheater have had something taken from them.
"God dammit! Don't you know who I am? I finished 355th at the North Face 50 Mile National Championships!" I mean... on some level, I get you. On another, though, I can assure you that no one cares about your marathon time or finishing place, unless you're at an elite level.
In a better stacked race her time would have been much further down in the AG ranks, not competing for overall.
Regardless of the cheating, this type of post doesn't fully sit right with me. Given the permanence of record on the internet, this does bring up the issue of how we police bad behavior, and how we incorporate forgiveness into that. That said, the poster was pretty fair, and generally refer to her as "the runner". It definitely reads as an obsessive sleuthing, no doubt in part because there were follow-on discoveries…
This runner cheated consciously, lied afterward, covered up the cheat with a conspiracy later (biking the route to create a fake data trail). Its hard to smear any investigation as 'obsessive' compared to that. And cheating at public events is not innocent. Its a rupture of the social contract, up there with stealing and libel. It should be dealt with promptly and vigorously. She should be banned from all further eve…
I guess if one subscribes to the race-as-life metaphor, where cheating in a race is tantamount to stealing from someone, and how one acts in a race is how one will act in the rest of life, I can see more reasons to get angry, but I think that viewing this as "rupturing the social contract" is a more extreme view, and is entering the area that Hugo was exploring with the Inspector Javert character. Yes, she cheated, yes it's wrong, and yes, she should face consequences, but how much mental energy should we expend in the pursuit and punishment of this cheating? I think I'm almost as disturbed by the obsession with the cheating as by the cheating itself.
Maybe this thinking is objectively wrong, but at least for me that's why, if forgiveness means not to ban her from all future events, my impulse is to forgive.