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Re: Post-Olympic Abandonment

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Post by javajosh »

lazaroclapp wrote: post #147
johansch wrote: post #144

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> If the US, China, the EU and Russia wanted to change how the Olympics work, change it would. Yeah, that's so likely to happen! US/China/EU/Russia caring so deeply about the health of the olympics that they collectively strike a deal to negate trademark agreements for the olympics, and together make something fair and enabled for a long life. Really? Are you at all following global politics? These power houses can't…

They agree when their interests agree, and they have plenty of treaties and rules between them when it comes to this sort of minutia. The question is, is any of them better served by a rotating Olympics than a fixed one? If the answer is yes. Say, because it gives them a chance to gain soft power via a PR demonstration of hosting the Olympics, then it will clearly not change. But my point is not that it will change,…

Well then lets do the Summer Olympics in Greece, and the Winter Olympics in St. Petersburg.

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Post by craigvn »

saalweachter wrote: post #36

Would it negatively impact the Olympics if we stopped rotating them at this point? I mean, besides the IOC missing out on the opportunity compete with FIFA on graft? Let's just locate the Olympics in a permanent facility -- Greece, if they'll have them, for tradition. I think between "not rebuilding everything from scratch every four years" and the expectation of recurring events, the single host country could both r…

A single permanent site will never happen. What I think would be better would be like The Open golf, they have half a dozen locations that are rotated between in a semi-random fashion. Other locations can be added to the rota if they prove themselves. And the locations should be country based rather than city to spread the load.

But I think due to the corruption of the delegates that will never happen either, they get too many kickbacks from being part of the bidding process.

Re: Post-Olympic Abandonment

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Post by killjoywashere »

johansch wrote: post #138
samirillian wrote: post #137

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S/he's saying you need to have strong evidence for such a strong claim.

The "strong claim" that the IOC is corrupt? Really? Have you been following IOC news for the past two decades? Everyone knows they're corrupt, but they do own the Olympic brand. The brand is doing great, but the organization that runs it is rotten to the core. If you really do need a URL, feel free to start here: http://google.com/search?q=olympic+corruption How do we fix this? I really can't think of a way to do it…

number of search results for "q=X+corruption" where X =

- New York: 68M

- Washington: 55.5M

- Trump: 54.3M

- Russia: 39M

- Chicago: 32.6M

- Football: 22.4M

- Putin: 10.5M

- Soccer: 9.0M

- Olympic: 1.9M

- NFL: 0.73M

- MLB: 0.58M

- FIFA: 0.63M

- Mafia: 0.58M

- Scientology: 0.41M

- Berlusconi: 0.41M

Re: Post-Olympic Abandonment

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Post by libria »

echelon wrote: post #84
libria wrote: post #73

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Not to mention Centennial Olympic park is a venue for concerts and events.

Are you going to Shaky Knees? I'm always eager to meet other Atlanta-area engineers, especially if they have similar music tastes.

Apologies, I'm no longer in the Atlanta area. Maybe a local Meetup group perhaps?

Re: Post-Olympic Abandonment

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Post by jandrese »

omegaham wrote: post #66
chiph wrote: post #62

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Even in the US, cities are catching on that hosting an Olympics is likely a money-losing event, and they'll be saddled with poorly-built large facilities afterwards (why build well when you can build fast?). Permanent facilities, perhaps two or four per continent (for winter & summer games, and two have two host countries), would likely be a good answer.

In the US at least, this is offset by the fact that large metropolitan areas have excellent D1 college facilities along with multi-use professional sports stadiums. More importantly, those facilities are already being used and will be used in the future. As far as I can tell, the biggest hassle for American cities is traffic. All of the facilities are there, but putting them into use all at once with tens of thousand…

Or they could do what Romney did and have most of the Olympic facilities out in bumfuck nowhere to avoid inconveniencing the city with traffic.

Re: Post-Olympic Abandonment

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Post by somewhatoff »

intoverflow2 wrote: post #97
sandworm101 wrote: post #90

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I think any boom would be short lived. The travel novelty would grow thin. The repeated use of the same facilities would also impact the sports. More fundimental is the question of any boom. London didnt see much, with some shops downtown instead seeing marked reductions. Vancouver barely broke even. China didnt do it for the money. And the less said about Sochi's costs the better.

> London didnt see much Part of it is on the verge of being converted into a cement factory ( https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/11/olympic-park... ) Honestly believe a world without the Olympic games is a better world, if London can't find much use for them and Rio is already letting them fall into disrepair. What on earth is the point in this.

The Olympic park in London is bringing lots of new facilities - an innovation park, a university campus, a theatre etc and thousands of new homes.

London is an exception to olympic abandonment to my mind - it's doing a lot of the success of east London on what was previously polluted industrial land.

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