HN: Should remove this post because it is a doxxing post. HN: should not be engaged in internet hating/shaming.
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Runner Disqualified After Claiming 2nd Place in Fort Lauderdale Half Marathon
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#82Regardless of the cheating, this type of post doesn't fully sit right with me. Given the permanence of record on the internet, this does bring up the issue of how we police bad behavior, and how we incorporate forgiveness into that. That said, the poster was pretty fair, and generally refer to her as "the runner". It definitely reads as an obsessive sleuthing, no doubt in part because there were follow-on discoveries…
>>My guess is a lot of people probably do this to bump up their social status a bit.
I had thought the Black Mirror episode titled "Nose Dive" was a bit silly at first, but as usual with that series, it 's turning out to be pretty prescient
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#83Isn't this what many entrepreneurs does in their PowerPoints? Fake it until you make it.
So true. Unfortunately bullshitting ability usually correlates to success.
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
I commend your call to sympathy. I don't like taking a drive-by, salacious interest in a story that doesn't affect me in the least, but will probably have serious, perhaps devastating consequences for the person involved for a long time professionally. I also think it's worth pointing out that the original article, while using photos of the person involved, never uses their full name, so is to some extent not google-…
Maybe it's only me, but I don't see any "shame-fest" here. The article is facts based and points to concrete wrongdoings, not simply taking some moral stand. "what is ultimately a relatively trivial, presumably non-criminal misdeed." While it's not criminal behavior, it must be discouraged and punished as it does tremendous damage to competitive sports and other sportsmen by discouraging them ("What's the point? Ever…
> but I don't see any "shame-fest" here.
Did you read all the comments? Did you see she's closed her social media accounts?
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's value in the blog above and beyond outing the occasional cheater. It makes people think twice. It prevents cheating from being normalized, like what happened in professional cycling. It also reminds society that a great number of us still value honesty and integrity, and believe that hard work should be rewarded justly. Too many people today say/do something bad and think a "heartfelt" apology will wash it al…
What cheating are you referring to in professional cycling? I only know of all the doping... a blog like this would have no effect on that.
Personally I'm of the opinion that power meters and heart rate monitors should be compulsory for all professional bike races, the data kept privately in escrow for cases of suspected cheating.
It's one thing a domestique getting a bit of a sticky bottle from a team car or someone drafting cars back to the peloton after a crash but now we have the specter of mechanical doping hanging over the sport.
At least with power/heart rate data you could compare the cyclist's performance (speed, rate of ascent, etc) with the power measured at the pedals. If someone's power jumps 50 watts but their heart rate doesn't change over time you know something is up.
Some riders have said they'd like to see power meters banned as it affects the tactics of the race. In that case all you'd have to do is hide the live data from the riders.
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#86What exactly is the point of this post? I second the opinion that this shouldn't be on HN. It's just doxxing the poor girl.
>It's just doxxing the poor girl.
Actually she is a fully grown up woman.
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#87For me the most interesting tidbit is that she biked the entire race afterwards in a cover up attempt.
Are there any studies on doing something wrong and escalating it with coverup attempts? Or is there a name for this that I'm not aware of? I know it has to be the theme of at least one classical drama...sort of a reverse "Hans in Luck" of sorts...I dunno.
I have witnessed this pattern before and the spiral that person went on was completely out of character and a progression of small pieces. I wouldn't be shocked if a good number of serious crimes had almost comically trivial root causes that escalated that way.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe it's only me, but I don't see any "shame-fest" here. The article is facts based and points to concrete wrongdoings, not simply taking some moral stand. "what is ultimately a relatively trivial, presumably non-criminal misdeed." While it's not criminal behavior, it must be discouraged and punished as it does tremendous damage to competitive sports and other sportsmen by discouraging them ("What's the point? Ever…
> but I don't see any "shame-fest" here. Did you read all the comments? Did you see she's closed her social media accounts?
I was talking about the article itself. I don't usually read comments bar selected few sites (HN included), because there are always trolls and haters. It's not the article's fault that we have such dire situation on the whole Internet.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
A common answer to this is that news papers are, ostensibly, "public interest shamers". That's the defense.
This seems very much a situation of "public interest shaming", as the cheating directly harmed the legitimate runners of that marathon, and the marathon community has a legitimate interest in shaming/punishing/expelling caught cheaters (in addition to simply removing the fraudulent result) as a deterrent to potential future cheaters. It's similar to disqualifications for fraud or doping in most sports - you don't onl…
> as the cheating directly harmed the legitimate runners of that marathon
Did it really? Did she hurt any of them? Did she even affect their times? Did they lose out on any prizes?
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
This seems very much a situation of "public interest shaming", as the cheating directly harmed the legitimate runners of that marathon, and the marathon community has a legitimate interest in shaming/punishing/expelling caught cheaters (in addition to simply removing the fraudulent result) as a deterrent to potential future cheaters. It's similar to disqualifications for fraud or doping in most sports - you don't onl…
> as the cheating directly harmed the legitimate runners of that marathon Did it really? Did she hurt any of them? Did she even affect their times? Did they lose out on any prizes?
Did they lose out on any prizes?
Well she did take second place, so if nothing else she did deny someone a place on the podium.