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Runner Disqualified After Claiming 2nd Place in Fort Lauderdale Half Marathon

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Re: Runner Disqualified After Claiming 2nd Place in Fort Lauderdale Half Marathon

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Post by barking »

nicky0 wrote: post #45
oxide wrote: post #42

Personally I am fascinated by marathon cheats. Every time I see a story about someone cheating in a marathon I can't help but wonder what was going through the person's head before, during, and after. I also wonder how often they do it, and why. You don't win any money, there is no incentive I can make out beyond bragging rights. I mean, they aren't exactly footraces, right? It's an endurance test, IMO. Usually for c…

In this case the runner needed to achieve a certain qualification time for another event. So she was under pressure, which led to the poor decision.

I wish people would not refer to dishonest decisions as poor decisions.

It's an example of spin and was doubtless invented by a PR company for some politician caught with his pants down.

Re: Runner Disqualified After Claiming 2nd Place in Fort Lauderdale Half Marathon

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Post by kbart »

gabemart wrote: post #25
npunt wrote: post #20

Regardless of the cheating, this type of post doesn't fully sit right with me. Given the permanence of record on the internet, this does bring up the issue of how we police bad behavior, and how we incorporate forgiveness into that. That said, the poster was pretty fair, and generally refer to her as "the runner". It definitely reads as an obsessive sleuthing, no doubt in part because there were follow-on discoveries…

I commend your call to sympathy. I don't like taking a drive-by, salacious interest in a story that doesn't affect me in the least, but will probably have serious, perhaps devastating consequences for the person involved for a long time professionally. I also think it's worth pointing out that the original article, while using photos of the person involved, never uses their full name, so is to some extent not google-…

Maybe it's only me, but I don't see any "shame-fest" here. The article is facts based and points to concrete wrongdoings, not simply taking some moral stand.

"what is ultimately a relatively trivial, presumably non-criminal misdeed."

While it's not criminal behavior, it must be discouraged and punished as it does tremendous damage to competitive sports and other sportsmen by discouraging them ("What's the point? Everyone cheats anyway") or forcing them cutting corners themselves to stay competitive (see recent doping scandal).

Re: Runner Disqualified After Claiming 2nd Place in Fort Lauderdale Half Marathon

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Post by iamlegion »

risingintonatio wrote: post #55

What exactly is the point of this post? I second the opinion that this shouldn't be on HN. It's just doxxing the poor girl.

Are you serious? A Huffington post editor wins 2nd place in a public race, gets caught cheating, and your first thought is "dont show her name!!" Beyond preposterous. If you cheat in public, be prepared to be outed in public. She deserves absolutely no sympathy, the cheating was done for purely personal gain. And she has cheated before based on her Strata data. A twisted individual but of course the SJWs have to cry about the court of public opinion. Yet you love the court of public opinion when its for something positive...It goes both ways.

Re: Runner Disqualified After Claiming 2nd Place in Fort Lauderdale Half Marathon

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Post by iamlegion »

pm24601 wrote: post #37

HN: Should remove this post because it is a doxxing post. HN: should not be engaged in internet hating/shaming.

Are you serious? A Huffington post editor wins 2nd place in a public race, gets caught cheating, and your first thought is "dont show her name!!" Beyond preposterous. If you cheat in public, be prepared to be outed in public. She deserves absolutely no sympathy, the cheating was done for purely personal gain. And she has cheated before based on her Strata data. A twisted individual but of course the SJWs have to cry about the court of public opinion. Yet you love the court of public opinion when its for something positive...It goes both ways.

Re: Runner Disqualified After Claiming 2nd Place in Fort Lauderdale Half Marathon

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Post by kbart »

timdaub wrote: post #66
gabemart wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I commend your call to sympathy. I don't like taking a drive-by, salacious interest in a story that doesn't affect me in the least, but will probably have serious, perhaps devastating consequences for the person involved for a long time professionally. I also think it's worth pointing out that the original article, while using photos of the person involved, never uses their full name, so is to some extent not google-…

> while using photos of the person involved, never uses their full name, so is to some extent not google-able Wat? Clearly her name is exposed in the Strava screenshot. Took me exactly 2mins to find significant details about her in the blog post (also: if not, you can easily reverse-image-search her runner photos). It's great to have her disqualified from the race, she clearly cheated. Putting the whole story on the…

She has cheated in public event and took 2nd place, so yes, due to respect for other participants, it's alright cheating fact to be made public.

Re: Runner Disqualified After Claiming 2nd Place in Fort Lauderdale Half Marathon

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Post by iamlegion »

aaron695 wrote: post #67
risingintonatio wrote: post #55

What exactly is the point of this post? I second the opinion that this shouldn't be on HN. It's just doxxing the poor girl.

HN should never dox people. HN shouldn't approve of articles doxxing. But I don't think hiding from things happening on the internet is the HN way. Upvoting an article means it's interesting, not that you agree with the views necessarily. This is certainly an article from a site that uses mob justice. And like most mob justice about something pretty silly, it's more about getting outraged and getting to pick on someo…

How is a detectives breakdown of a cheater any different from a breakdown of an exploit that often show up on HN?

This Huffington post editor JANE SEO wins 2nd place in a public race, gets caught cheating, and your first thought is "dont show her name!!" Beyond preposterous. If you cheat in public, be prepared to be outed in public. She deserves absolutely no sympathy, the cheating was done for purely personal gain. And she has cheated before based on her Strata data. A twisted individual but of course the SJWs have to cry about the court of public opinion. Yet you love the court of public opinion when its for something positive...It goes both ways.

Re: Runner Disqualified After Claiming 2nd Place in Fort Lauderdale Half Marathon

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Post by iamlegion »

Many of the comments here are decrying including the cheater's name in the post. We live in the 21st century. People who do shitty things might have to deal with harrassment on the internet. Its the way the wind blows. Does that mean we stop outing cheaters, criminals, and generally bad people? No. The technological environment is their problem. Let them delete their social media if they have to.

Jane Seo exploited the race for social status. Shes a Huff Post editor and was recently posting sponsored material on instagram, she got paid for it. Her trip was also paid for. Now..why should she not suffer socially if she tried to exploit socially? Fuck her, she deserves no sympathy. The people crying about the fact that Jane cheated at a public race, publically accepted the 2nd place trophy, and publically writes for the Huff Post, yet shouldnt be publically outed, have some contradictory logic. If I'm reading an article in the Huff Post by a pedophile I should know..so I can be wary of bold claims and moral claims. Same with a cheater. She shouldnt even be writing for them anymore. A cheater doesnt belong in journalism. Integrity is huge in journalism.

Re: Runner Disqualified After Claiming 2nd Place in Fort Lauderdale Half Marathon

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Post by [deleted] »

barking wrote: post #71
nicky0 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case the runner needed to achieve a certain qualification time for another event. So she was under pressure, which led to the poor decision.

I wish people would not refer to dishonest decisions as poor decisions. It's an example of spin and was doubtless invented by a PR company for some politician caught with his pants down.

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Re: Runner Disqualified After Claiming 2nd Place in Fort Lauderdale Half Marathon

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Post by usrusr »

timdaub wrote: post #66
gabemart wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I commend your call to sympathy. I don't like taking a drive-by, salacious interest in a story that doesn't affect me in the least, but will probably have serious, perhaps devastating consequences for the person involved for a long time professionally. I also think it's worth pointing out that the original article, while using photos of the person involved, never uses their full name, so is to some extent not google-…

> while using photos of the person involved, never uses their full name, so is to some extent not google-able Wat? Clearly her name is exposed in the Strava screenshot. Took me exactly 2mins to find significant details about her in the blog post (also: if not, you can easily reverse-image-search her runner photos). It's great to have her disqualified from the race, she clearly cheated. Putting the whole story on the…

The podium is all about attention. She put her face and name out into the public before the blogger did.
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