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It would cost something like $5 billion today and would take ~2,000 people ~5 years. Which is relatively speaking a lot less expensive. Put another way, Bill G could build ~17 of them in his lifetime and not be broke. Awesome! What's at one time only the province of the greatest empire on the planet could become just one of many of a billionaire's projects. Let's scale this out from the present day with something of…
There's a certain (supposed) billionaire who wants a big wall. Not quite as inspiring to me personally, but, well, tastes vary, I guess. Also, he's planning to spend your money on it, not his.
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There's a certain (supposed) billionaire who wants a big wall. Not quite as inspiring to me personally, but, well, tastes vary, I guess. Also, he's planning to spend your money on it, not his.
Mexico's money, to be accurate.
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#123People get upset by the 'superhero' status of Elon Musk. Nerds everywhere worship the guy, buy his cars, watch his SpaceX launches. But honestly, let him have it, I say. He's earning it. He's taking huge risks and succeeding where others weren't willing to try.
Elon Musk's businesses have benefited from billions in federal and state government subsidies and low-interest loan programs over the years. He's taking huge risks because other people are footing the bill.
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Shorting seems to often be about the short-term prospects of the stock. Long term, Tesla looks like it will be a reasonable company. But will it justify its stock price? Tesla is a $45B company right now. Toyota is $188B (4.1x more valuable), VW is $78B (1.7x), GM is $58B (1.3x), Ford is $51B (1.1x), Nissan is $42B (0.9x), Fiat Chrysler is $17B (0.4x), Honda is $58B (1.3x), BMW is $56B (1.2x), Daimler is $79B (1.8x),…
I would propose viewing Tesla as an energy storage company, not a car company (JB and Elon both think of Tesla this way). The car is a battery on wheels, and the battery is the product. They're not trying to be the next BMW, and attempts to value them through this lense will miss the mark.
Strength I see for Tesla is unlike the other car companies they don't have capital tied up in the legacy car business. Granted legacy is 97% of the market right now, but it won't be in ten years.
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#125People get upset by the 'superhero' status of Elon Musk. Nerds everywhere worship the guy, buy his cars, watch his SpaceX launches. But honestly, let him have it, I say. He's earning it. He's taking huge risks and succeeding where others weren't willing to try.
No superhero. Collaborates with Trump to get SpaceX contracts. F. him.
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They beat loss estimates because they spent $500m [0] on capex instead of $1000m [1]. Not sure if I buy "got better deals from suppliers" story, but it would be awesome if it was true. Most likely they've hit delays with suppliers. [0] Q4 2016 update from shareholder letter on http://ir.tesla.com/ [1] http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-capex-goal-means-1-bill...
I don't understand why capital expenditure is viewed as a loss. You spend $1mil on infrastructure, afterwards you have $1mil of infrastructure (which now should start earning you money) instead of $1mil of cash. H ow is that a loss?
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#127People who lose money shorting Tesla are losing their shirts for the same reason as those who shorted Amazon: cash flow + growth matters more than profitability, PE ratios, or EPS. Tesla's car business is cash flow positive but the quarterly losses are due to infrastructure investments. This is how finance can be more subtle than meets the eye. Tesla's car business is very profitable: Tesla also reported an automotiv…
Shorting seems to often be about the short-term prospects of the stock. Long term, Tesla looks like it will be a reasonable company. But will it justify its stock price? Tesla is a $45B company right now. Toyota is $188B (4.1x more valuable), VW is $78B (1.7x), GM is $58B (1.3x), Ford is $51B (1.1x), Nissan is $42B (0.9x), Fiat Chrysler is $17B (0.4x), Honda is $58B (1.3x), BMW is $56B (1.2x), Daimler is $79B (1.8x),…
Re: Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estimates
#128People who lose money shorting Tesla are losing their shirts for the same reason as those who shorted Amazon: cash flow + growth matters more than profitability, PE ratios, or EPS. Tesla's car business is cash flow positive but the quarterly losses are due to infrastructure investments. This is how finance can be more subtle than meets the eye. Tesla's car business is very profitable: Tesla also reported an automotiv…
Shorting seems to often be about the short-term prospects of the stock. Long term, Tesla looks like it will be a reasonable company. But will it justify its stock price? Tesla is a $45B company right now. Toyota is $188B (4.1x more valuable), VW is $78B (1.7x), GM is $58B (1.3x), Ford is $51B (1.1x), Nissan is $42B (0.9x), Fiat Chrysler is $17B (0.4x), Honda is $58B (1.3x), BMW is $56B (1.2x), Daimler is $79B (1.8x),…
Yes, there is considerable risk and other players might get there faster than Tesla, but they are certainly in the running and their existing cars collecting real-world data could give them a leg up against the competition. I would also factor in the fact that car manufacturer's and their culture are not used to building and iterating on software services like this quickly. Think about how Microsoft tried to make phone operating systems for years before the iPhone or Android phones launched, and they are now completely side-lined in that space because they just couldn't innovate or copy fast enough before network effects kicked in and locked them out. Similarly, many of those same network effects can exist with cars.
I can see a world where consumer decide to purchase cars based on their technology and charger networks alone. This could even include an App store where a large number of apps available for the car become an important deciding factor.
Once you get out ahead, I think it will be really hard for others to catch up.
Note: I'm note an owner in Tesla, but I'm bullish on their ambitious long-term prospects.
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> Investors are not fools I hope you're kidding, because the counter examples to this are endless.
To be more specific - investors often do not do their own homework, and assume that some other hardworking soul has. See e.g. Theranos for a glaring example of this.
Re: Tesla Says Model 3 on Track as Quarterly Loss Beats Estimates
#130People who lose money shorting Tesla are losing their shirts for the same reason as those who shorted Amazon: cash flow + growth matters more than profitability, PE ratios, or EPS. Tesla's car business is cash flow positive but the quarterly losses are due to infrastructure investments. This is how finance can be more subtle than meets the eye. Tesla's car business is very profitable: Tesla also reported an automotiv…
I put 100% of my net worth in TSLA when it was trading at $180 a couple months ago http://www.marketwatch.com/story/elon-musk-to-the-guy-who-in... . I'm already up 40%, and I'm holding (though not adding to it as my net worth grows). Such an obvious, incredible company that Wall Street will undervalue until the end of time. (For the record: I don't recommend doing this. I am in a unique situation where I can own the…