What is more remarkable to me than any Apple vs. Google rivalry is how infrequently the press has mentioned Microsoft in articles on the matter. Is it a given that MSFT has gotten so far behind that it won't ever catch up?
Google is leapfrogging Apple
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#22I love all the new android phones I see.... and I like the openness - the hacker in me wants one.
But you know - the iphone/ipod Touch - it took me 10 seconds to figure out how that stuff worked.
I had to ask my friend to show me how to navigate around his android based phone with all it's buttons and gestures and whatnot...... I can definitely see more possibilities wiht the android - but Apple still has them beet on the Mom test.
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#23There are few things that bothers me when people talk about Google taking the lead: 1) They are comparing two different things, an open OS vs an OS tied to one company. 2) Google didn't surpassed anybody. FroYo hasn't been released yet and they are comparing them to a phone that is going to be updated in two weeks. FroYo has tethering, but iPhone has tethering since 3.0, if AT&T doesn't allow it, it isn't Apple's fau…
The tethering issue may not be Apple's fault, but that's fairly irrelevant since you can't get the phone with any other carrier in the U.S.. Point being, no matter whose fault it is, the iPhone just doesn't have tethering in the U.S.. Otherwise I tend to agree, there are no devices shipping with Froyo so saying it has surpassed a shipping and soon-to-be-updated product is a bit silly.
The only Android phone that initially will have that functionality won't be available with AT&T nor T-Mobile... And the Nexus One isn't a pentaband phone either.
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#24Man, how breathless can one article get?
Nothing is this simple in real life.
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#25What is more remarkable to me than any Apple vs. Google rivalry is how infrequently the press has mentioned Microsoft in articles on the matter. Is it a given that MSFT has gotten so far behind that it won't ever catch up?
Palm?
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#26There are few things that bothers me when people talk about Google taking the lead: 1) They are comparing two different things, an open OS vs an OS tied to one company. 2) Google didn't surpassed anybody. FroYo hasn't been released yet and they are comparing them to a phone that is going to be updated in two weeks. FroYo has tethering, but iPhone has tethering since 3.0, if AT&T doesn't allow it, it isn't Apple's fau…
The tethering issue may not be Apple's fault, but that's fairly irrelevant since you can't get the phone with any other carrier in the U.S.. Point being, no matter whose fault it is, the iPhone just doesn't have tethering in the U.S.. Otherwise I tend to agree, there are no devices shipping with Froyo so saying it has surpassed a shipping and soon-to-be-updated product is a bit silly.
It's not a question of fault. The point is that outside the U.S. iPhone tethering works fine. I use it often. To say that Google is "leapfrogging" Apple because someday it will support tethering is ludicrous.
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#27Something seems suspect about an article on (ms)nbc claiming that google is now beating apple... Can't quite put my finger on it.
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#28What is more remarkable to me than any Apple vs. Google rivalry is how infrequently the press has mentioned Microsoft in articles on the matter. Is it a given that MSFT has gotten so far behind that it won't ever catch up?
I don't know if it's a given that they'll never catch up, but at the moment they're not really relevant in the market, so it makes sense to leave them out.
What would the articles say about them? Microsoft may regain relevance in the market when the first version of their new smartphone OS is released months from now? That's about all there is to say.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think that was a good description of Apple Computer, Inc. Now that we live in the post iPhone world of Apple, Inc., they seem to be behaving quite differently. Their strategy seems dominated by short term market share grabbing in the mobile space, rather than long term product innovation and higher priced products.
* Their strategy seems dominated by short term market share grabbing in the mobile space, rather than long term product innovation...* Even in light of the iPad?
Actually, I've rethought my comment a bit and I agree with you. I see the way Apple is behaving now very akin to the early PC wars, when a bunch of platforms were trying to become the dominant one.
These days, the platform war is the tablet form factor, and the iPad is definitely cheaper than anyone really expected. I have yet to see an actual competitor, in terms of price, software, and retail locations.
So sure, it's a land grab right now. But I wouldn't confuse that with true product innovation. They're just taking it step-by-step. And I'm sure the iPad still maintains their margins, although it seems cheaper. (my hypothesis as to why it has no camera, cleaning cloth, included slipcase, etc.)
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#30I think Apple as a very mature company likes the long term strategy. They start with a bang but they also realize Version 2 of a product, at its core, is strikingly similar to Version 10. I don't think they feel pressured to dominate a market probably because their business model doesn't require it. The iPod was a bit of a fluke in that sense. It had a lot more to do with the competition losing than Apple being hell…
I think that was a good description of Apple Computer, Inc. Now that we live in the post iPhone world of Apple, Inc., they seem to be behaving quite differently. Their strategy seems dominated by short term market share grabbing in the mobile space, rather than long term product innovation and higher priced products.
I disagree. The only reason iPhones aren't high priced is because they got a unprecedentedly large subsidy with AT&T. The phones may sell for $100-300, but Apple makes closer to $500-800 on them after what AT&T pays out. That's why they're the most profitable company at selling cell phones despite their small market share.
Obviously Apple wants market share too, but I've seen no indication that they're willing to prioritize it over high margins.