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Re: Google is leapfrogging Apple

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http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2010/05/encrypted-google-sea... It's coming

it's here. (beta) https://www.google.com/

I get redirected to the http site. (I use Duck Duck Go---which is encrypted---but I just wanted to let you know.)

Re: Google is leapfrogging Apple

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The whole leapfrogging thing implies (to me) that you are not only doing more things than someone, but also doing them better. Yes, FroYo has added a ton of great features to android, however I still feel that Apple has not yet been leapfrogged in the most basic parts of design for core parts today's mobile experience. The most obvious of these to me is text entry via touch screen. There can be no claims of leapfrogg…

>There can be no claims of leapfrogging until I can use an android device's touch screen to SMS someone without pulling (what little is left of) my hair out.

This is almost certainly what you are used to. I haven't had any difficulty with my nexus one. The iphone drove me to insanity everytime I tried to type on it.

>Every single android handset I've used has felt like a cheap, disposable piece of junk (G1, Hero, N1)

Everyone I know who has seen the nexus one in person found it much more attractive than the iphone. (sampling bias, yadda yadda)

>Or maybe I was just too abused by my time with the G1 to judge this argument fairly anymore, definitely possible.

That's the only reasonable explanation I can come up with for your post. (I feel your pain on that one. ;)

Re: Google is leapfrogging Apple

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post #11
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's here. (beta) https://www.google.com/

I get redirected to the http site. (I use Duck Duck Go---which is encrypted---but I just wanted to let you know.)

My guess is that it's being slowly rolled out to some of Google's front-end servers. I'll get the SSL homepage one load, then a few minutes later when I'm round-robinned to a different server, I get redirected to http://.

Re: Google is leapfrogging Apple

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post #11
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's here. (beta) https://www.google.com/

I get redirected to the http site. (I use Duck Duck Go---which is encrypted---but I just wanted to let you know.)

Must be something on your end, works fine for me: http://i.imgur.com/ssbIT.png

Re: Google is leapfrogging Apple

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The whole leapfrogging thing implies (to me) that you are not only doing more things than someone, but also doing them better. Yes, FroYo has added a ton of great features to android, however I still feel that Apple has not yet been leapfrogged in the most basic parts of design for core parts today's mobile experience. The most obvious of these to me is text entry via touch screen. There can be no claims of leapfrogg…

How is typing better on the iPhone than on the N1?

I find the predictive measures work better; the keyboard is more responsive (texting on the iPhone was an exercise in frustration: oftentimes the keyboard would lock up, preventing input).

My only complaint is that its a little too easy to accidentally hit the home key.

And really... I've got three apps running in the background and no sluggishness. In fact, I have never seen this phone lag (even when playing super Nintendo on the train).

Only complaint with typing in web forms is that it doesn't follow the cursor quite right.

Written from mobile :-)

Re: Google is leapfrogging Apple

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I think Apple as a very mature company likes the long term strategy. They start with a bang but they also realize Version 2 of a product, at its core, is strikingly similar to Version 10. I don't think they feel pressured to dominate a market probably because their business model doesn't require it. The iPod was a bit of a fluke in that sense. It had a lot more to do with the competition losing than Apple being hell…

I think that was a good description of Apple Computer, Inc. Now that we live in the post iPhone world of Apple, Inc., they seem to be behaving quite differently. Their strategy seems dominated by short term market share grabbing in the mobile space, rather than long term product innovation and higher priced products.

Maybe they're preparing for the future. In a few years a $200 subsidized iPhone might be a high priced product compared to a free with contract Android phone. The iPad at $499 might be a premium device compared to a <$200 netbook. The sales of traditional PCs will eventually start to drop as these other devices fill people's needs. We're probably near the high water mark for the Macintosh. Standalone iPods are already starting to seem old fashioned. How many more years can they rely on that market to exist? It doesn't seem the iTunes Store has ever been especially profitable for Apple either. They have to bet their future on the iPad/iPhone.

Re: Google is leapfrogging Apple

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There are few things that bothers me when people talk about Google taking the lead:

1) They are comparing two different things, an open OS vs an OS tied to one company.

2) Google didn't surpassed anybody. FroYo hasn't been released yet and they are comparing them to a phone that is going to be updated in two weeks. FroYo has tethering, but iPhone has tethering since 3.0, if AT&T doesn't allow it, it isn't Apple's fault. And I'm not sure how free that wireless hotspot will be. FroYo is faster, but nobody knows if faster than OS 4.0 on the new iPhone. They presented wireless sync, but nobody knows if Apple will introduce the same in two weeks. After all, they bought Lala for some reason. Maybe it's just me, but I like to compare shipped products, not demos and announcements.

Re: Google is leapfrogging Apple

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There are few things that bothers me when people talk about Google taking the lead: 1) They are comparing two different things, an open OS vs an OS tied to one company. 2) Google didn't surpassed anybody. FroYo hasn't been released yet and they are comparing them to a phone that is going to be updated in two weeks. FroYo has tethering, but iPhone has tethering since 3.0, if AT&T doesn't allow it, it isn't Apple's fau…

The tethering issue may not be Apple's fault, but that's fairly irrelevant since you can't get the phone with any other carrier in the U.S.. Point being, no matter whose fault it is, the iPhone just doesn't have tethering in the U.S..

Otherwise I tend to agree, there are no devices shipping with Froyo so saying it has surpassed a shipping and soon-to-be-updated product is a bit silly.

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