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Has There Been a Nuclear Incident in the Arctic?

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Re: Has There Been a Nuclear Incident in the Arctic?

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Post by mfukar »

xupybd wrote: post #117
mfukar wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say "media" as if it's a singular entity. It is not. It encompasses Fox News (which I don't watch but I gather is a cesspool), The London Review of Books, Vogue, Infowars, YouTube, etc. A set of _competing_ companies. Not all of them support or supported (the Iraq) war. Like so many others that refer to "the media" in the same way, I have to ask: Are you sure you're not falling into the trap of "I didn't see it,…

The "media" has a major problem. Its main driver is its entertainment value. News is more entertaining when sensationalised and heavily biased. I don't think there is a conspiracy or negligence causing this. Just simple economic drivers. It's the same thing we see with fast food. Yeah it's bad, but it's exactly what the market demands.

Despite what anyone will claim, good journalism still exists. I am not going to discuss obviously false generalisations.

Re: Has There Been a Nuclear Incident in the Arctic?

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Post by chris_overseas »

I travelled on a (non-nuclear) icebreaker out from Murmansk back in 2012. On the way out to the open ocean we passed several moored nuclear powered icebreakers and other vessels in various states of decay[0]. It was both fascinating and disturbing to see - many of these had not yet been decommissioned and it seemed to me that they were huge disasters waiting to happen.

In Murmansk itself there is a nuclear icebreaker (The Lenin) that has been decommissioned and converted into a museum where you can tour the vessel and see everything including the engine rooms and nuclear reactors. Despite it being decommissioned, I discovered some systems were clearly still functioning when I accidentally leaned on a random control panel and a bunch of lights lit up!

Photos from the trip are here[1], with the first seven photos being taken of or onboard the Lenin.

Note that one of the most powerful nuclear icebreakers in the world, The 50 Years of Victory, is available for tourists to travel to the North Pole[2]

[0] http://www.redyeti.net/FranzJosefLand/content/bin/images/lar...

[1] http://www.redyeti.net/FranzJosefLand/index.html

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Let_Pobedy

Re: Has There Been a Nuclear Incident in the Arctic?

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Post by 0xcoffee »

sanjeetsuhag wrote: post #39
exabrial wrote: post #11

I do have to complement the authors of this article. It presents the facts and leaves out political rhetoric and noise. I'm pleased with the title too; if the article were featured on a mainstream news site in the USA, it would have declared it as a definitive event and give a list of what products to buy from their advertisers.

The author, Tyler Rogoway, is a revered aviation journalist. He used to write for FoxtrotAlpha. I've followed him for a couple of years and now and he always presents a very balanced stance on issues.

How do you follow an author? Are there any special techniques or do you just manually keep track?

Re: Has There Been a Nuclear Incident in the Arctic?

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Post by throwanem »

matt4077 wrote: post #49
exabrial wrote: post #11

I do have to complement the authors of this article. It presents the facts and leaves out political rhetoric and noise. I'm pleased with the title too; if the article were featured on a mainstream news site in the USA, it would have declared it as a definitive event and give a list of what products to buy from their advertisers.

I feel this vilification of the media is far overblown. Specifically: I cannot imagine that a quality news site (say the NY Times, Atlantic, or WSJ) would not mention such uncertainty. More easily provable: I challenge you to find a single article of about a disaster that includes unwarranted product recommendations (i. e. not "authorities are asking citizen to stock water and other necessities in preparation for the…

> There's only one WC-135

Two in active service and a total of eleven converted from the base C-135, per Wikipedia.

Quibbles over details aside, I do take your point about the absence of reportage in the mainstream media on something that's not well enough understood to speak to the cause, and likely to generate a lot of unnecessary concern absent such understanding.

On the other hand, I'm not sure how I feel about there being someone - anyone - in a position to decide what the public does and does not need to know. In this case, we might agree that that power, to the extent it still exists in the age of the Internet, is being used for good. Is it always?

Re: Has There Been a Nuclear Incident in the Arctic?

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Post by simplemath »

0xcoffee wrote: post #123
sanjeetsuhag wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The author, Tyler Rogoway, is a revered aviation journalist. He used to write for FoxtrotAlpha. I've followed him for a couple of years and now and he always presents a very balanced stance on issues.

How do you follow an author? Are there any special techniques or do you just manually keep track?

Man, welcome to the future.

Well, mostly unless said author has a persistent social media profile, you manually do it

Re: Has There Been a Nuclear Incident in the Arctic?

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Post by pratyushag2 »

chris_overseas wrote: post #122

I travelled on a (non-nuclear) icebreaker out from Murmansk back in 2012. On the way out to the open ocean we passed several moored nuclear powered icebreakers and other vessels in various states of decay[0]. It was both fascinating and disturbing to see - many of these had not yet been decommissioned and it seemed to me that they were huge disasters waiting to happen. In Murmansk itself there is a nuclear icebreaker…

These are incredible pictures. What kind of camera did you use to click these?

Re: Has There Been a Nuclear Incident in the Arctic?

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Post by SixSigma »

matt4077 wrote: post #49
exabrial wrote: post #11

I do have to complement the authors of this article. It presents the facts and leaves out political rhetoric and noise. I'm pleased with the title too; if the article were featured on a mainstream news site in the USA, it would have declared it as a definitive event and give a list of what products to buy from their advertisers.

I feel this vilification of the media is far overblown. Specifically: I cannot imagine that a quality news site (say the NY Times, Atlantic, or WSJ) would not mention such uncertainty. More easily provable: I challenge you to find a single article of about a disaster that includes unwarranted product recommendations (i. e. not "authorities are asking citizen to stock water and other necessities in preparation for the…

> - Everything that's "designed to..." is "specifically designed to..."

I think there is a distinction between primary design criteria and secondary e.g. the difference between must and should.

Primary : must be capable of transporting fluid.

Secondary: should be red

Re: Has There Been a Nuclear Incident in the Arctic?

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Post by coldtea »

pratyushag2 wrote: post #126
chris_overseas wrote: post #122

I travelled on a (non-nuclear) icebreaker out from Murmansk back in 2012. On the way out to the open ocean we passed several moored nuclear powered icebreakers and other vessels in various states of decay[0]. It was both fascinating and disturbing to see - many of these had not yet been decommissioned and it seemed to me that they were huge disasters waiting to happen. In Murmansk itself there is a nuclear icebreaker…

These are incredible pictures. What kind of camera did you use to click these?

>What kind of camera did you use to click these?

This is an incredible comment. What keyboard did you use to write it?

(Camera choice doesn't matter beyond certain ergonomics and certain capabilities (low noise, more room for cropping, shallow DOF, etc, a lot of which depend on the lens as well). Any $300+ DSLR can give you the exact same results, as can a lot of mirrorless with a speedy lens. And for most of the pictures shown, any modern compact or even smartphone will do just as well).

Re: Has There Been a Nuclear Incident in the Arctic?

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Post by throwanem »

jnbiche wrote: post #79
hyperdunc wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the site developer isn't very good. Why don't you send them an email telling them how they can fix it?

So provide them with expert advice for free? Do you think lawyers get this urge?

Lawyers don't decline to give legal advice for free just because they want paying, although they do, and fair enough. Law is a highly complex and recondite field, and a solid answer on any but the most trivial question requires nontrivial research to identify with confidence.

Lawyers also have a professional guild to which to answer, and if they say something offhand which turns out to be erroneous in a way that brings someone to grief, their guild will not be pleased with them.

In fairness, I probably wouldn't take the time here either; on the one hand, I block ads anyway and so don't have such problems, and on the other, I tend only to do that when it's to my own direct benefit that the issue be fixed, and broken ads on a site I'll visit once ever don't meet that test - when Postmates screws up their UI and I have to stub out some analytics functions to place an order, they get an email; here, I'd just add the site to my JS blacklist, reload, read, and go on about my day.

Re: Has There Been a Nuclear Incident in the Arctic?

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Post by rurban »

worldsnorkler wrote: post #89
mikeyouse wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I miss him from when I used to read Jalopnik more regularly, I didn't follow him to his new site so thanks for pointing out that this was him. He really is a good, balanced, and knowledgeable source of military analysis.

What are the evidence this comes from the Arctic? High levels are only being detected in Poland. A much more likely explanation is that this originates from Ukraine, Krim, or Belarus. That is some 2000km from the Arctic.

The time. This isotope travels fast via wind, but decays fast. They need to check the wind directions at this period and check if the numbers match.
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