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Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric

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Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric

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Post by jagger27 »

lukasm wrote: post #10
ebbv wrote: post #2

Having owned a Nissan LEAF for the last 2.5 years has been really great. Maintenance is almost nothing, the battery has held up fantastic and the car is a real pleasure to drive. Never having to stop for gas or get oil changes sounds like not a big deal but it is really nice. Every morning the LEAF has a full charge. I think the Bolt and other 200+ mile range vehicles that are fairly affordable will help get more peo…

I'd buy electric BMW X1. I don't get why BMW has to put an electric motor in something as ugly as i3. Why not put it in 3 series?

Right? It's not like they didn't know that people /want/ normal looking cars (ehem, the Model S proved that). Why didn't they adapt a Mini or something else more familiar for their first kick at the market?

Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric

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Post by ZenoArrow »

ptaipale wrote: post #64
ZenoArrow wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The GP linked to a UK website in their comment.

Oh. Right-hand drive. Not very good here. It looks like a new Zoe sells for exactly half the price in UK (14 k£ , 16 400 €) than here in Finland (33 k€). Is there a substantial subsidy on electric cars in UK? Here they have less tax than others.

There is a substantial subsidy, but not one that covers the full price difference you've highlighted:

https://www.gov.uk/plug-in-car-van-grants/what-youll-get

Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric

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Post by GlennS »

zxcvvcxz wrote: post #59

Can someone provide data showing how electric cars reduce emissions overall? Having something like this ready would help when discussing with people who are not sure of the benefits of EVs ("it still uses energy right?").

I haven't looked up the figures for you, but a lot of it is based on future decarbonisation of the electricity grid.

Depends on which country you live in of course, but right now in most countries the carbon factors for petrol or diesel will be lower than those for electricity.

Norway is probably an exception to this: it has lots of wind, lots of rivers, and lots of money.

Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric

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Post by taway_1212 »

_delirium wrote: post #35
simonz05 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla only sold 2 vehicles in Denmark in 2016, dropping from 2800 sold in 2015. This was after the Danish government added the regular registration tax to electric vehicles. That supports the commentators point of view. https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=da&tl=en&u=h...

For those skeptical there could be such a big drop, useful background is that the Danish registration tax for new vehicles is 150% of the purchase price (with roughly the first €10k exempted). Previously it was 180% of the purchase price above €10k, but electric cars were exempted. An agreement was reached among several parties in 2015 to lower the overall rate from 180% to 150%, but to phase out the electric-car exe…

Wow these taxes sound out of this world (in my home country Poland, it's 3% or 17%, depending on the engine size).

Hasn't anyone attempted to go around it by finding someone in say Germany to register the car as a first owner and then immediately purchasing the car (as a used car now) from him?

Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric

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Post by thedrbrian »

syncordie wrote: post #39
paganel wrote: post #21

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ICE vehicles are still considerably cheaper compared to EV. Show me a 10,000-15,000 euro electric hatchback that I'd be able to drive for 10+ years without having to purchase expensive batteries every 4-5 years and I'd buy it.

The Mahindra e2o Plus is priced between 10-15K USD (but currently only available in India I think) https://www.mahindrae2oplus.com/ I've owned an older model for 4+ years now. I haven't seen any drop in battery performance yet and the company says the battery should last 8+ years without problems. I can believe that based on my experience. The older model is available in the UK. https://mahindrauk.com

I'm going to be honest that looks awful and not comparable to a cheap car like a Micra, Twingo or any of the other cheap city cars. Seems like you're losing a lot just to save a few quid on petrol.

Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric

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Post by ZenoArrow »

paganel wrote: post #66
maxsilver wrote: post #51

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A Used Renault Zoe can be bought for well under 10k EUR. In five years, replace the battery for an extra ~5K EUR (you probably won't need to, my EV battery is 4+ years old with 50k miles on it and still works great, but we'll include it in the cost just to calm your fears) Even including a brand new battery, total cost is still well below your 15K EUR max budget, using real-world numbers you can actually purchase wit…

I was talking about prices of new cars, for 4,000 euros I bought a pretty good 7-year old ICE hatchback which does its job pretty well. I saw that Zoe is priced at around 23,000 euros new, which for a mini-car is really expensive (if you're not a SV engineer, that is)

>"I was talking about prices of new cars, for 4,000 euros I bought a pretty good 7-year old ICE hatchback which does its job pretty well."

I don't know what the second hand car market is like where you live, but just in case it's similar to the UK, it's possible to get a second hand hybrid electric car for similar money in the UK. For example, can get a second hand Prius for less than £3k if you shop around:

http://m.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_sacat=18290&_from=R40&_trksi...

Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric

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Post by loxs »

taway_1212 wrote: post #74
_delirium wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those skeptical there could be such a big drop, useful background is that the Danish registration tax for new vehicles is 150% of the purchase price (with roughly the first €10k exempted). Previously it was 180% of the purchase price above €10k, but electric cars were exempted. An agreement was reached among several parties in 2015 to lower the overall rate from 180% to 150%, but to phase out the electric-car exe…

Wow these taxes sound out of this world (in my home country Poland, it's 3% or 17%, depending on the engine size). Hasn't anyone attempted to go around it by finding someone in say Germany to register the car as a first owner and then immediately purchasing the car (as a used car now) from him?

Used car imports also get taxed by the same percentage. And you can't cheat, because they decide the value of the car, not your receipt.

Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric

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Post by kwhitefoot »

ptaipale wrote: post #61
kwhitefoot wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a joke at all. Oslo gets more sun than Hamburg. Also take a look at the Energibygg: https://translate.google.no/translate?hl=en&sl=no&u=https://...

The problem is that Oslo, like all the Nordics, gets more sun in the summer when it's less necessary, and practically none in the winter when energy is needed. Norway has so much hydroelectric capacity that it doesn't matter, though.

> Norway has so much hydroelectric capacity that it doesn't matter, though.

We have substantial DC interconnects to countries that have little or no hydro so our prices are no not much different from the rest of Northern Europe. Any excess solar would be sold to Europe just like excess hydro is now. It could also be used to drive pumped storage to ensure that the reservoirs are full for the winter.

Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric

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Post by sandworm101 »

digi_owl wrote: post #3

Expect the numbers to drop right back down again in a few years. A major reason for people owning a EV, a law that was introduced back when Thinks were the big deal EV to have (yeah, right) that allowed EVs to use the bus lanes and not pay a toll, have been repealed. Note that it was only when Tesla made the EV comparable to a sportscar that it picked up in Norway. And that was because now the rich of the nation coul…

This is repeated around the world. Incentives are designed under the assumption that certain vehicle types need a leg up. Then car companies build cars to that specification, with an associated cost, and sell them to those who can afford. So the hybrid ferrari gets a break, but the non-hybrid but nevertheless more fuel efficient honda civic doesn't. Parking for electric vehicles. Bus lane access for hybrids. hov lanes now filled by rich people in limos (i saw a limo block a bus lane recently for 10 minutes. People on the buss were livid). Tax breaks for strapping a duracell to your SUV and calling it a hybrid. All started with good intentions but were corrupted by those with the resources to hack the rules.

Re: Norway: 37% of new vehicles sold in January were electric

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Post by izym »

kalleboo wrote: post #37
simonz05 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla only sold 2 vehicles in Denmark in 2016, dropping from 2800 sold in 2015. This was after the Danish government added the regular registration tax to electric vehicles. That supports the commentators point of view. https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=da&tl=en&u=h...

That article is from March 2016, so it was 2 cars sold by March. Would be interesting to see final numbers (12 cars?)

Indeed, the article does not represent the 2016 sales at all. Tesla sold 176 cars in 2016 in Denmark and 2738 in 2015 [0]. While there is definitely a drop, the sales of 2015 were probably also boosted by the fact that lots of Danes, who were interested in buying a Tesla, made sure to do so before the law took effect. In 2014 they sold 460.

[0]: http://www.bilimp.dk/statistics/index.asp

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