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Why Do DMT Users See Insects from a Parallel Universe?

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Re: Why Do DMT Users See Insects from a Parallel Universe?

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Datura users are also commonly reported by observers to act out hallucinations involving insects. While the user often recalls an entirely different mental experience, it's common for their physical selves to be seen picking at imaginary bugs on the floor in a primal manner (among other reflexive actions, such as convincingly smoking imaginary cigarettes). It is interesting and darkly humorous (keep in mind that datu…

This needs to be said over and over again. There's two different species of plants commonly known as Datura: Jimsonweed, Datura stramonium, and Sacred Thronapple, Datura wrightii. It's Datura wrightii that the Native Americans used as a hallucinogen, while Datura stramonium seems to have only been used as medicine or poison.

People don't bother making this important distinction anymore and end up foolishly taking the more common D. stramonium. This is probably why Datura has become so infamous, not that D. wrightii is "safe", but it certainly appears to be safer than D. stramonium.

From the Native American Ethnobotany Database:

Datura wrightii: http://naeb.brit.org/uses/species/1244/

Datura stramonium: http://naeb.brit.org/uses/species/1243/

Re: Why Do DMT Users See Insects from a Parallel Universe?

#143

My latest working theory for why DMT elicits similar experiences across different users was actually inspired by Google's "Deep Dream" art: https://research.googleblog.com/2015/06/inceptionism-going-d... "We know that after training, each layer progressively extracts higher and higher-level features of the image... The final few layers assemble those into complete interpretations—these neurons activate in response to…

I had the same thought when I first saw deep dream (which look exactly like drug hallucinations) and read the explanation behind it. That's when I first had my "oh shit" moment, realizing that DNN researchers really are onto something. I started taking discussions about AI a lot more seriously after that.

Re: Why Do DMT Users See Insects from a Parallel Universe?

#144
post #83
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I saw these weird drapes folded around me that were brown, green, and white stripes. They were gently heaving, and I knew that they were living creatures that were watching over me. I didn't take enough to have a full breakthrough, but in that moment I was certain that I was dying, with all of my consciousness welled up into my head, as if that's all I was. When I came to and regained awareness of my limbs, I was rel…

> Just "feeling sure" isn't enough to certain of something. Back when I was a teenager, I got interested in the idea of lucid dreaming. One of the suggested ways I'd read of gaining awareness that you are in a dream is to habitually ask yourself if you're dreaming -- sooner or later, you'll do it in a dream. I tried that for a while, and sure enough, I did actually ask myself if I was dreaming while in a dream, and c…

I had a peculiar experience of heuristically testing a dream not long ago: I had determined I was dreaming, because my field of vision felt too incomplete, that the balance of what I was seeing was titled too far toward interpolation versus observation. That is to say, if waking experience were interpolated from 100% throughput of the visual cortex, I was working on something like 8% (though still interpolating a complete scene from it).

Looking at a wall, I thought "ha, I can't see what color it is", only to realize it was actually a vivid shade of golden-yellow, feeling the color on my retinas. Impressed, I walked over toward a door with a crash bar on it, challenging once again "ok, I can never really feel anything in dreams, so I'll just have a vague sense of touching the crash bar", only to actually feel the heft of the door, and the cast steel on my fingertips.

But as I felt the crash bar, my visual sense of the scene collapsed again, as if all the processing power had just been redirected to haptic from visual. The room and the hallway were just vague ideas drawn once again from a trickle of sensory information. This was amusing enough to wake me up.

Now of course, I don't know if this was actually an insight into how the mind dreams – it's entirely possible that the mechanics themselves were something I dreamed.

Re: Why Do DMT Users See Insects from a Parallel Universe?

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Why would you believe that?

Why not?

Mainly because most people lack the capacity to invent sound new theoretical models of the universe to believing whatever interesting idea springs to mind is 99.9999999% likely to be wrong.

Re: Why Do DMT Users See Insects from a Parallel Universe?

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I saw these weird drapes folded around me that were brown, green, and white stripes. They were gently heaving, and I knew that they were living creatures that were watching over me. I didn't take enough to have a full breakthrough, but in that moment I was certain that I was dying, with all of my consciousness welled up into my head, as if that's all I was. When I came to and regained awareness of my limbs, I was rel…

>The lesson learned was that I needed to start questioning my convictions more. Just "feeling sure" isn't enough to certain of something. Well, that's the life lesson I learned in the maths lectures and exercise sessions I attended. Seems like drugs are not required to understand this ;)

I obviously don't know you, but based off that comment, I think you're missing the forest for the trees and I'd venture to guess that it's because you've never experienced something like DMT. There are definitely levels to certain lessons in life, like learning that "feeling sure" isn't enough to be certain of something. Sure, math class taught you that if something doesn't add up, it's not true. But I see that as an intro to that life lesson of "feeling sure" not being enough. A few levels up from that understanding, a lot of times, involves something like DMT giving you a metaphorical 50,000 ft view from where you can begin to understand that even those math problems might not be the end all, be all of truth.

We live in a world of gray areas, not black and white.

Re: Why Do DMT Users See Insects from a Parallel Universe?

#147
post #78

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Why would you believe that?

Because that's my experience. I investigate theoretical models but I don't have the math skills to develop the idea more rigorously at present.

Can you elaborate on "I investigate theoretical models"? Are you involved in some branch of math or science?

Re: Why Do DMT Users See Insects from a Parallel Universe?

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> Just "feeling sure" isn't enough to certain of something. Back when I was a teenager, I got interested in the idea of lucid dreaming. One of the suggested ways I'd read of gaining awareness that you are in a dream is to habitually ask yourself if you're dreaming -- sooner or later, you'll do it in a dream. I tried that for a while, and sure enough, I did actually ask myself if I was dreaming while in a dream, and c…

Best tests. Easily done in the waking world (which is which?) Without looking like an idiot. 1. Lightswitches, they dont work right in dreams, shading is hard. 2. Clocks, or digital readouts. Time has no refrence and displays are oddly hard. 3. Hands. You do not know the back of your hand. Might be why so many people stare at their hands on psychedelics.

Written text is non-persistent too. If you're dreaming and look away and back at a sign, newspaper, whatever, the words all change.

I've used the light switch thing to trigger a number of lucid dreams too, I always assumed that your brain just doesn't bother wiring things like that up, rather than the complexity of shading being an issue.

Re: Why Do DMT Users See Insects from a Parallel Universe?

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Occam's razor is a guideline, not an immutable law.

Occam's razor would immediately discard quantum theory. Does that make it false?

> Occam's razor would immediately discard quantum theory

No, it to wouldn't; quantum theory is quite plausibly the most parsimonious explanation consistent with the evidence.

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