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H-1B visas mainly go to Indian outsourcing firms

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Re: H-1B visas mainly go to Indian outsourcing firms

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Post by dukeluke »

humanrebar wrote: post #58
kls wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is the incentive system. I have never been known for my lack of directness and in given so, I used to work with an Indian developer who was very good at his job. So one day I just flat out asked him, I said Karthick why do a good portion of Indian developers suck, his response floored me. Without missing a beat he responded, look it's a misaligned incentive system. When I go back to India the first questi…

For what it's worth, maybe the U.S. would have better employment among young men if the "IT is in demand and steady work" meme found a place here.

As a young man in America, I would only recommend this if you both live in a tech city and hold a degree. I have neither, and so despite my ability to develop software, I am not taken seriously by employers.

Re: H-1B visas mainly go to Indian outsourcing firms

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Post by adamc »

planetjones wrote: post #21

Is this disagreeing with Blake Irvine. See https://www.google.co.uk/amp/amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2017/02... This is the man who refers to H1B visas as genius visas. I have worked with many Indian outsourcing companies and while talented people do exist, calling their employees genius is wholly inaccurate (as would be calling most software devs in the Western world genius). I did laugh when I read irving's original pos…

I've only worked with H1B visa folks who came on as contractors... while they were mostly not terrible, I didn't find them to be noticeably better than the folks we hire, with one exception (and he just became a citizen).

I'm not bothered by immigrants, but the whole "genius" thing is a lie.

Re: H-1B visas mainly go to Indian outsourcing firms

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Post by sidlls »

humanrebar wrote: post #58
kls wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is the incentive system. I have never been known for my lack of directness and in given so, I used to work with an Indian developer who was very good at his job. So one day I just flat out asked him, I said Karthick why do a good portion of Indian developers suck, his response floored me. Without missing a beat he responded, look it's a misaligned incentive system. When I go back to India the first questi…

For what it's worth, maybe the U.S. would have better employment among young men if the "IT is in demand and steady work" meme found a place here.

For the last several years "learn to code" has been a meme (President Obama spoke to this on multiple occasions), and the "T" in "STEM" is "Technology." I don't think the "meme" is the problem.

Also, while I definitely am much more well paid as an engineer than I ever would have been as an academic, the quality of employment the field (in terms of opportunities available, working conditions, peers, and other factors) is a bit underwhelming, in my opinion. Without some pretty big changes in some of these I'm not sure we should blindly encourage "everyone" to seek an IT career.

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

skocznymroczny wrote: post #27
mootothemax wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>In Slovenia an engineer with 10 years of experience makes $24,000/year. >In Silicon Valley an engineer with 0.5 years of experience makes $100,000/year. Come on, you've got to compare like with like. In Montana, the median is ~$60,000, and in Georgia ~$80,000. [0] and [1] Here in Poland, I can find decent enough programmers who'll accept $2k/month salary. Their English will be poor, and typically they'll be based in…

In Poland, when talking about salaries, we're using before tax ("brutto"). After tax is about 4/5 of the original salary ("netto").

Americans always name salaries in bruto.

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Post by la6470 »

Why is Mr Trump not signing the executive order to increase the salary of H1B visa holders? He signs a few executive order everyday but something seems to holding him up from signing the one around H1B visa. Looks to me that these outsourcing firms and their customers in USA have a stronger lobby than expected.

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Post by anjc »

>Although it is true that foreign workers at the Indian consultancies receive more visas than higher-skilled workers at better-known firms, a simple solution exists. Congress could raise the number of visas issued. Given that the unemployment rate for college graduates sits at 2.5%, it is fair to say that most native workers displaced by H-1Bs land on their feet.

Absolute scum. Native workers displaced by H1Bs is ok because the fired workers eventually find other work? Vile.

A significant proportion of IT and STEM graduate are unable to get work in their chosen industry, and proceed to waste years of education by going into other areas out of necessity.

I can't believe somebody could shit out the quoted text and have it published.

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Post by sjg007 »

koolba wrote: post #85
manarth wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think pay is also a factor. IT is listed as the third-best paying job in India [1]. In the USA, it's not even in the top 10 [2]. In the UK, it barely scrapes into the top 10, and that's for IT Directors [3]. In India, the pay is a great incentive for people who aren't necessarily interested in tech. [1] http://www.chakreview.com/Education/Top-10-highest-paying-jo... [2] http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/03/2…

The US News article has eight different medical professions in the top ten. It's rounded out with Psychiatrist as number nine (which I'd argue is medical as well) and "Chief Executive" as number ten. If you consolidate nine of them as "Medical", I bet IT, or some variant of it, would be in the top ten.

Yep.... if you are a US citizen, for the money, go to med school, everything else is overrated.

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Post by X86BSD »

calvinbhai wrote: post #71
humanrebar wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it's worth, maybe the U.S. would have better employment among young men if the "IT is in demand and steady work" meme found a place here.

Americans have many better options than IT to make a good living. Many of those options though, are slowly getting eaten up by tech (Amazon, Walmart - Jet) In India, IT sector escaped the clutches of red tape, and thrived. So it became a very good option to make a living.

Seconded. In fact I am in full agreement with mike row from the tv show "dirty jobs". There are plenty of jobs in the trades that pay damn good money. Americans just aren't doing them. Plumbers, carpenters, hvac, electrician, etc. Somehow Americans have evolved to see these jobs as beneath them or jobs that people don't respect. But the fact is trade skills are in high demand and if you've ever needed trade skill labor you know they make a damn good living. America needs to give up on this nonsense that only white collar STEM jobs are what kids should be training for. America needs to BUILD things again. Boys and girls need trade skills.

/soapbox

Re: H-1B visas mainly go to Indian outsourcing firms

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Post by X86BSD »

adamc wrote: post #93
planetjones wrote: post #21

Is this disagreeing with Blake Irvine. See https://www.google.co.uk/amp/amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2017/02... This is the man who refers to H1B visas as genius visas. I have worked with many Indian outsourcing companies and while talented people do exist, calling their employees genius is wholly inaccurate (as would be calling most software devs in the Western world genius). I did laugh when I read irving's original pos…

I've only worked with H1B visa folks who came on as contractors... while they were mostly not terrible, I didn't find them to be noticeably better than the folks we hire, with one exception (and he just became a citizen). I'm not bothered by immigrants, but the whole "genius" thing is a lie.

Plus I'll add if they are geniuses then they should have a min. starting salary of $500,000 attached to their visa. I mean, they are einsteins after all. Right?
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