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H-1B visas mainly go to Indian outsourcing firms

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Re: H-1B visas mainly go to Indian outsourcing firms

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Post by cmdrfred »

ganeshkrishnan wrote: post #12
godzillabrennus wrote: post #6

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Businesses used to hire and train. There was once loyalty within corporate America. That is dead.

>Businesses used to hire and train. There was once loyalty within corporate America. That is dead. I cannot debate this. However given our current situation and seeing our progress the rightful way would be for the government to invest more into education. Saudades is not going to help us. Being more pragmatic and planning accordingly will be much more beneficial

>invest more into education

I suggest the opposite. The reason college tuition is so high is because the government backs those loans. Remove the government backing of loans thus lessening the availability of capitol to the educational system and I think you will find it will become vastly more affordable.

Re: H-1B visas mainly go to Indian outsourcing firms

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Post by kirRoyale »

aviraldg wrote: post #45
kls wrote: post #32

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The problem is the incentive system. I have never been known for my lack of directness and in given so, I used to work with an Indian developer who was very good at his job. So one day I just flat out asked him, I said Karthick why do a good portion of Indian developers suck, his response floored me. Without missing a beat he responded, look it's a misaligned incentive system. When I go back to India the first questi…

As a current CS student from India, I can completely back this theory. Most in my class are very sure they want to pursue a career in Computer Science, but have little to say if you ask them why. A good fraction of them, every year, end up joining consultancy firms in nontechnical roles, or (what I hate more) in HR - and are perfectly fine with it. Computers in India are not associated with the amazing feeling most o…

Damn there are some really solid responses in this thread... Thanks for the input

Re: H-1B visas mainly go to Indian outsourcing firms

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Post by GFK_of_xmaspast »

witty_username wrote: post #23
ardy123 wrote: post #8

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If you were to replace the higher paid positions with lower paid outsourced positions the allure of Silicon Valley would be lost entirely to me. The talent would simply move elsewhere. I don't understand why you're favouring a race to the bottom in terms of salary in terms of benefits to a business. It makes our talent go elsewhere.

What is wrong with a race to the bottom? Less salary means more profit for businesses and/or cheaper products

I sell my labor in exchange for money, and so it's in my interest for wages to be as high as possible, if not higher.

Re: H-1B visas mainly go to Indian outsourcing firms

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Post by aub3bhat »

camus2 wrote: post #80
aub3bhat wrote: post #79

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Except European countries greatly benefitted from Chinese Exclusion Act. The legacy of which still exists today in form of per country quota. In fact when passing the Immigration Act of 1965 (untill then only few hundred indians/Chinese were allowed.) The then president sought to reassure people that country won't be overrun by Indians. https://www.saada.org/tides/article/20151001-4458

Which does not make the following statement true : > Because citizens of countries other than india and china don't really need h1 visas to work in US.

Yes they don't the Green Card even for EB-3 category are current for most countries except India, China & Mexico.

Arguing on semantic grounds is frankly expressing white privilege. Just like people who argue that some segregation laws didn't explicitly mention black people. And thus were good.

Even within American lawmakers the current per country system is considered a mistake and several legislations including the comprehensive immigration reform passed by Senate in 2013 eliminated it.

Re: H-1B visas mainly go to Indian outsourcing firms

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Post by koolba »

manarth wrote: post #57
kls wrote: post #32

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The problem is the incentive system. I have never been known for my lack of directness and in given so, I used to work with an Indian developer who was very good at his job. So one day I just flat out asked him, I said Karthick why do a good portion of Indian developers suck, his response floored me. Without missing a beat he responded, look it's a misaligned incentive system. When I go back to India the first questi…

I think pay is also a factor. IT is listed as the third-best paying job in India [1]. In the USA, it's not even in the top 10 [2]. In the UK, it barely scrapes into the top 10, and that's for IT Directors [3]. In India, the pay is a great incentive for people who aren't necessarily interested in tech. [1] http://www.chakreview.com/Education/Top-10-highest-paying-jo... [2] http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/03/2…

The US News article has eight different medical professions in the top ten. It's rounded out with Psychiatrist as number nine (which I'd argue is medical as well) and "Chief Executive" as number ten.

If you consolidate nine of them as "Medical", I bet IT, or some variant of it, would be in the top ten.

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Post by anu7df »

briandear wrote: post #63
mac01021 wrote: post #33

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Considering things from the point of view of the immigrant, the current h1b system seems to me like the only route to immigration for a person who is not exceptionally skilled or wealthy or connected. So there are definitely people who would like to immigrate who would lose out if it became an auction. I'm not saying those people should necessarily be a major consideration, but you did say "everyone besides companies…

H1 is a non immigrant visa; using for that purpose is fraudulent. Under the law, H1s should have no right to permenant residency unless they return on a proper immigrant visa -- otherwise, its vastly unfair to those that go through the legitimate process.

H1b is a dual intent visa. No crime in having immigration intent while on it.

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Post by vinay427 »

koolba wrote: post #85
manarth wrote: post #57

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I think pay is also a factor. IT is listed as the third-best paying job in India [1]. In the USA, it's not even in the top 10 [2]. In the UK, it barely scrapes into the top 10, and that's for IT Directors [3]. In India, the pay is a great incentive for people who aren't necessarily interested in tech. [1] http://www.chakreview.com/Education/Top-10-highest-paying-jo... [2] http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/03/2…

The US News article has eight different medical professions in the top ten. It's rounded out with Psychiatrist as number nine (which I'd argue is medical as well) and "Chief Executive" as number ten. If you consolidate nine of them as "Medical", I bet IT, or some variant of it, would be in the top ten.

> Psychiatrist as number nine (which I'd argue is medical as well)

No argument needed. In the US, psychiatrists are fully-licensed physicians.

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Post by supersan »

kls wrote: post #32
planetjones wrote: post #21

Is this disagreeing with Blake Irvine. See https://www.google.co.uk/amp/amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2017/02... This is the man who refers to H1B visas as genius visas. I have worked with many Indian outsourcing companies and while talented people do exist, calling their employees genius is wholly inaccurate (as would be calling most software devs in the Western world genius). I did laugh when I read irving's original pos…

The problem is the incentive system. I have never been known for my lack of directness and in given so, I used to work with an Indian developer who was very good at his job. So one day I just flat out asked him, I said Karthick why do a good portion of Indian developers suck, his response floored me. Without missing a beat he responded, look it's a misaligned incentive system. When I go back to India the first questi…

You're absolutely right about this and I can attest. Whenever I tell someone I run my own software business the first question I'm asked is how many employees do I have?

Nobody cares about the revenue of the sites, it's just that if I have more than 10 employees then you're successful. So in India a person making 1 mil / month is less successful than someone who has a company of 10+ employees that is drowning in debt.

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Post by daviddavis »

koolba wrote: post #85
manarth wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think pay is also a factor. IT is listed as the third-best paying job in India [1]. In the USA, it's not even in the top 10 [2]. In the UK, it barely scrapes into the top 10, and that's for IT Directors [3]. In India, the pay is a great incentive for people who aren't necessarily interested in tech. [1] http://www.chakreview.com/Education/Top-10-highest-paying-jo... [2] http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/03/2…

The US News article has eight different medical professions in the top ten. It's rounded out with Psychiatrist as number nine (which I'd argue is medical as well) and "Chief Executive" as number ten. If you consolidate nine of them as "Medical", I bet IT, or some variant of it, would be in the top ten.

Scroll down a bit further and they have a list of the top 10 non-medical professions. IT makes it on the list at #7 with "Computer and Information Systems Managers". Still not great I'd argue.

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Post by kaveh_h »

arjie wrote: post #78
koolba wrote: post #30

What's the argument against using an auction for H1-B visas rather than a lottery? That'd maximize the tax collected from their salaries and ensure the salaries are on par with the going rate for said workers. Arguably it's in the interests of everyone besides companies trying to get cheaper labor via H1-B visas. The only counterpoint I've ever heard is " It's not fair for company XYZ in low cost of living Podunk, US…

The objective of the visa is to enable business. It is beneficial to America that business flourishes in America. If a pharma business is viable only if it pays $100k to its researchers and if it is being hamstrung by lack of researchers in America it doesn't matter that a software engineer can charge $200k for his services. The pharma researchers may argue that this should present an upward price pressure on their s…

If that's the long term goal, then the US government is going to have a problem things such as the internet, bitcoin and more technologies open up even more possibilities for foreign workers and freelancers to work from abroad and avoid US taxes all together.
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