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Pugs are anatomical disasters. Vets must speak out–even if it’s bad for business

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Re: Pugs are anatomical disasters. Vets must speak out–even if it’s bad for business

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whats the solution here?

Maybe: we stop using terms like 'purebreed' and 'mongrel'. Or reclaim 'mongrel' I like the term 'natural dog'. "I'd like a medium sized natural dog with a long coat because it's cold here."

how about the term 'landrace'?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Dog_landraces

Re: Pugs are anatomical disasters. Vets must speak out–even if it’s bad for business

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Vast majority of purebreds have some serious generic issues. I'm hoping that we as a society will solve this whole situation soon. There is a BBC documentary on this https://vimeo.com/17558275

Suppose there was a breed of, say, monkey, that was popular as a household pet. They were considered to be quite clever and could be trained, over some years, to use a toilet, fetch things from the fridge, even manage primitive forms of communication. The only problem is that they're a genetic trainwreck. They've got a pronounced, gourd-like head with a snout so compact that it's common to have to surgically remove s…

My response would be "Is it possible to get a version of this monkey without these problems? No? Then go ahead."

Re: Pugs are anatomical disasters. Vets must speak out–even if it’s bad for business

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In all fairness, the author is probably right that his or her clients would change vets if they told the client to stop owning brachycephalic dogs, and the client would be right to do so. People are deeply emotionally attached to their pets; it'd be a bit like a doctor setting a kid's arm telling the parent "These extra-long arms are prone to breakage; you should consider having children with someone with the genes for a stockier build."

Divorcing the general notion of a category problem from individual cases of ownership is hard, and honestly, Guardian op-eds may be the best option in the short-run.

Re: Pugs are anatomical disasters. Vets must speak out–even if it’s bad for business

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe: we stop using terms like 'purebreed' and 'mongrel'. Or reclaim 'mongrel' I like the term 'natural dog'. "I'd like a medium sized natural dog with a long coat because it's cold here."

"Natural dog" is a silly term. Dogs are a domesticated animal and breeds have been around for almost as long as writing. [1] I call mine a "mutt" - it's inoffensive and gets the point across. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_breed#History

Mutt is intended to be an insult. While I'm fairly confident I've never heard it used as such first hand, it's still the 2nd definition on whatever Google uses for defining things:

    a person regarded as stupid or incompetent.
    "“Do not give me orders, mutt.”"

Re: Pugs are anatomical disasters. Vets must speak out–even if it’s bad for business

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This doesn't work. You can't convince people who's income depends on staying silent to speak out. You need to convince politicians to make it harder on people breeding unhealthy dogs. Politicians yearn for topics to fight for if it can bring them voters. Vets yearn for people bringing their sick dogs to them and not another guy.

UK vets spoke out about mutilations[1] of pets long before politicians took action.

Vets lost money by refusing to perform these mutilations.

[1] declawing cats; tail docking; ear cropping, etc.

Re: Pugs are anatomical disasters. Vets must speak out–even if it’s bad for business

#46
Not just Pugs. I had a German Shepherd. Beautiful dog, but everyone who I met who had had a German Shepherd in the past told me their dog had to be put down around 10 years of age due to their back legs failing.

Our dog didn't even make it to 10. She died of heart failure at 7. According to the vet this is another common problem with the breed.

I well never get a pure breed again.

Re: Pugs are anatomical disasters. Vets must speak out–even if it’s bad for business

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The article is misleading. I own two pugs, and it's a breed that must be kept fit and healthy. They can't be allowed to run hard in hot weather, and if it is hot they need a lot of water. The folds in their skin need to be kept clean as well. This is a very old breed, and the dogs do have a decent lifespan if they're cared for properly. I don't know about Bulldogs, but I've never owned one because they're only expect…

I think the problem is that with some breeds, a large proportion of the individuals will necessarily suffer from problems related to their deformed anatomy.

Pugs are just one example of a breed where breed characteristics (brachycephaly in this case) have gone far enough that it can be argued that continued breeding of them is cruel, particularly f continuing to select for extreme breed characteristics.

Re: Pugs are anatomical disasters. Vets must speak out–even if it’s bad for business

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post #39

The article is misleading. I own two pugs, and it's a breed that must be kept fit and healthy. They can't be allowed to run hard in hot weather, and if it is hot they need a lot of water. The folds in their skin need to be kept clean as well. This is a very old breed, and the dogs do have a decent lifespan if they're cared for properly. I don't know about Bulldogs, but I've never owned one because they're only expect…

Your dog can't run in hot weather? Doesn't that concern you when there are millions of working dogs that are at the same fitness level, but wont die in hot weather?

I feel as though you justified the entire article in your second sentence?

Re: Pugs are anatomical disasters. Vets must speak out–even if it’s bad for business

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Vast majority of purebreds have some serious generic issues. I'm hoping that we as a society will solve this whole situation soon. There is a BBC documentary on this https://vimeo.com/17558275

This is why mutts are the best. Genetic diversity is good. Anecdotal, but growing up my two mutts lived to the ages of 16 and 18...well past the life expectancies you see in the purebred world.

Well, the only problem with mutts (for me) is that you have no good idea on what size they will have as adults.

Living in an apartment I can't really have a big dog and by getting a breed dog (even if it's not really pure bread) I know it will not get too big for the space I have available.

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