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Why many Indian politicians have a criminal record

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Re: Why many Indian politicians have a criminal record

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Using the same argument - we shouldn't discredit those crimes and criminals just because they are not prime ministers or chief ministers now. Get your priorities right.

@andrewvijay, It's really funny that you keep showing your insecurity and selective bias, by pushing your propaganda. Get a life man.

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Re: Why many Indian politicians have a criminal record

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> If the previous govts had lots of wrong doers then it doesnt mean the current govt doing the same is okay . Supreme court of India gave clean chit to Modi [0]. second here context is Indian Politicians not current Indian govt. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Narendra-Modi-gets-...

dude. Im not even saying he is guilty here!! Why are you so insecure? Im just stating what had happened. I really dont give a shit about modi to care about him or his acts. You started typing without even reading the comment?

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Re: Why many Indian politicians have a criminal record

#123

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Using the same argument - we shouldn't discredit those crimes and criminals just because they are not prime ministers or chief ministers now. Get your priorities right.

@andrewvijay, It's really funny that you keep showing your insecurity and selective bias, by pushing your propaganda. Get a life man.

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Re: Why many Indian politicians have a criminal record

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The muscle part is mostly historical, up to the '80s maybe. Now it's more about money eg. to fund campaigns. Cf. Berlusconi, Sarkozy. Scandinavia is the poster child for ethics, and from what I know I would say rightly so, but it's not representative of Western Europe as a whole.

I think I was incorrectly using Western Europe to mean Western Europe minus Southern Europe. I don't believe this happens in France, Germany, Holland, the U.K., etc Your inclusion of Sarkozy surprises me. Googling for Sarkozy and mafia is bringing me a bunch of antisemitic sites and a site called info-resistance — do you have any reliable sources?

Sarkozy is prosecuted for several charges regarding the funding of his electoral campaigns (who cost far more than what the law allows), and it is now extremely likely that Gaddafi is illegally involved. Prior to that, Chirac had strong ties with Charles Pasqua, whom he appointed Interior Minister -- Pasqua was clearly linked to the Corsican mafia and he later funded the infamous SAC -- muscle from the mafia to counter the OAS. As for Mitterand, he made it possible for Berlusconi to invest in France via Mediaset and "La Cinq", among others.

So there's a long history of shady ties at the very top of the French institution, pretty often in the form of what was deemed as a "necessary evil", but corruption nonetheless. That's pretty much summarizes the spirit of the French Fifth Republic, anyway: "we go to do what we got to do, and the public wouldn't understand".

Re: Why many Indian politicians have a criminal record

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Lobbying is a good thing and as Indian citizen I wish it was legal in India. It helps small groups unite and openly and transparently seek legislative changes they want. In India you bribe secretly. The party wants all funds channeled to party supremo so they changes laws to make sure Individual legislators can not pass any bills of their own against party wishes. So that wont happen in India. We will always have to…

> It helps small groups unite and openly and transparently seek legislative changes they want. This is true, but it benefits the already wealthy a hell of a lot more.

I dont see a problem with that. Will you mind if Elon Musk convinces Trump to fast track alternative energy or Google convinces proper tests of self driving cars ?

Re: Why many Indian politicians have a criminal record

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> It helps small groups unite and openly and transparently seek legislative changes they want. This is true, but it benefits the already wealthy a hell of a lot more.

I dont see a problem with that. Will you mind if Elon Musk convinces Trump to fast track alternative energy or Google convinces proper tests of self driving cars ?

Yes, because it's the pay for influence aspect as a concept that is the problem.

Elon Musk is one man with good intentions in a sea of obscenely wealthy, self-serving plutocrats. The bad far outweighs the good.

At the very least if you are going to allow financial lobbying, you need to put a hard cap on the amounts, and the cap should be low. Very low.

Re: Why many Indian politicians have a criminal record

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What's with your negative and sarcastic response to a commenter who actually cares about a serious situation? If something he said was untrue or misleading, please cite facts or refute so we can be in on the joke.

The commenter is deluded and does not care for facts. This case has been running in prime coverage for the last 10-12 years because almost everybody took an interest in it, because they wanted to "Get Modi". Many inquiries were setup, including special task forces, commissions, many US & European based NGO's in the guise of missionaries came to India searching for mass graves, he was banned from getting a Visa to ent…

Thank you for providing the context that is helpful.

However a quick skim of content seems to suggest that a significant amount of people do not have confidence in the impartiality of the investigations, and that it remains a controversial issue.

Re: Why many Indian politicians have a criminal record

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The commenter is deluded and does not care for facts. This case has been running in prime coverage for the last 10-12 years because almost everybody took an interest in it, because they wanted to "Get Modi". Many inquiries were setup, including special task forces, commissions, many US & European based NGO's in the guise of missionaries came to India searching for mass graves, he was banned from getting a Visa to ent…

Thank you for providing the context that is helpful. However a quick skim of content seems to suggest that a significant amount of people do not have confidence in the impartiality of the investigations, and that it remains a controversial issue.

>a significant amount of people do not have confidence in the impartiality of the investigations

Generally, you would be right in assuming that. But in this case, Modi was in quite a vulnerable situation, when the primary opposition party (Congress) was in power in the central government at that time; they even had CBI (Central Bureau of Investigation) in their control, there were too many international parties out to dig up evidence and accuse him (which they did, sans evidence). But at the end, not one charge stood up. In other words, he was proven innocent multiple times against all odds. The Visa ban was also overturned without a whimper, in fact Modi & Obama became such good friends....

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