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Why many Indian politicians have a criminal record

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Re: Why many Indian politicians have a criminal record

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> In fact even the prime Minister modi was on a mass murdering case of Gujarat 2002. He was the chief minister when the riots Happened!! That guy has still not even apologized or said sorry to the families whose people were killed. I think you should stop whatever you are doing and get appointed as a judge in the Supreme Court of India. Obviously you know so much more than what they know or have deduced about crimina…

What's with your negative and sarcastic response to a commenter who actually cares about a serious situation? If something he said was untrue or misleading, please cite facts or refute so we can be in on the joke.

The commenter is deluded and does not care for facts. This case has been running in prime coverage for the last 10-12 years because almost everybody took an interest in it, because they wanted to "Get Modi". Many inquiries were setup, including special task forces, commissions, many US & European based NGO's in the guise of missionaries came to India searching for mass graves, he was banned from getting a Visa to enter the US, the supreme court in India held multiple hearings etc. After all that, he was deemed innocent. This shows that there is plausible evidence that the commenter was not serious, & in fact a troll or he was absolutely clueless, yet does not & cannot resist from accusing someone of being a "mass murderer". So there, that's the joke! You can't get more serious than that about this situation.

Re: Why many Indian politicians have a criminal record

#102
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I'm an Indian and can verify that. A lot of scumbags keep winning and hold onto power here usually by hook or crook. In fact even the prime Minister modi was on a mass murdering case of Gujarat 2002. He was the chief minister when the riots Happened!! That guy has still not even apologized or said sorry to the families whose people were killed. The current govt has the largest share of criminals in power. There are s…

I dont know why such scumbags expect an apology from Modi. Supreme Court gave him clean chit. I am from Ahmedabad and whenever I see the reference of 2002 riots, I know its from ignorant people outside of Gujarat and who doesnt know anything about Godhara incident. He did what he could as a CM, only outsiders (non-gujjus) still find he is the one should be blamed. What a pitty! 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godhra…

> scumbags

Key operative word.

Re: Why many Indian politicians have a criminal record

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Using the same argument - we shouldn't discredit those crimes and criminals just because they are not prime ministers or chief ministers now. Get your priorities right.

Im not discrediting them. WHy are you a couple of guys here defending against no offence here? :D Its really funny to see you bringing up random things wildly out of context here. Stop embarrassing yourself man! The topic was about criminals and I have stated some facts related to the current govt. There are no accusations here. Your insecurity is showing when you vehemently defend against something that was not even…

> facts

Last time I checked the meaning of "facts", it meant something else entirely!

Re: Why many Indian politicians have a criminal record

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The videos you linked were so hard to watch. > India is a land of lawlessness and that's a reality. It's a little more subtle : well connected people to whatever they want and get away with no consequences. People who dare to oppose these powerful people discover the true meaning of hell. It's true practically everywhere in the world including the US. IMO for all the shit that social networks receive (for good reason…

>People who dare to oppose these powerful people discover the true meaning of hell. It's true practically everywhere in the world including the US. It can be true in the US, but it definitely is not the norm. This statement rings false. For all the problems the US has, yes including corruption in some places, it is almost entirely unique in its freedom of speech and its allowance for political opposition without fear…

this is what people are thinking about when they refer to 'American exceptionalism'.

You can't seriously believe this?

Re: Why many Indian politicians have a criminal record

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It's because in the US, corruption is just legal thanks to lobbying. Plus, you are in a country where you can go to war to satisfy your friends benefit. Lie blatantly about the motives. Spend billions of dollars for it in a country in massive debt. Get caught doing so. Yet ignore international instutiions, go kill thousands of people anyway and get away with it. You are in a country bailing the banks that ruined them…

Lobbying is a good thing and as Indian citizen I wish it was legal in India. It helps small groups unite and openly and transparently seek legislative changes they want. In India you bribe secretly. The party wants all funds channeled to party supremo so they changes laws to make sure Individual legislators can not pass any bills of their own against party wishes. So that wont happen in India. We will always have to…

> It helps small groups unite and openly and transparently seek legislative changes they want.

This is true, but it benefits the already wealthy a hell of a lot more.

Re: Why many Indian politicians have a criminal record

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Then why should he say sorry?

Responsibility.

If he said "Sorry" the scumbags would say "See, he said 'Sorry', obviously he's guilty", if he does not say "Sorry", the remaining scumbags say "He did not even say 'Sorry', he needs to take responsibility"!

If you think people can't see through such antics as you're playing, you are really deluded & grossly underestimate the general intelligence of humans!

Re: Why many Indian politicians have a criminal record

#108
post #52

There are some comments in this thread bringing out examples of corruption in the West. While Western societies are by no means perfect and have their own warts, they are much better than India when it comes to corruption, effective judiciary, free press or tolerance for scandals. People typically vote with their feet. If you have any doubts about which society treats its citizens better, just look at how many Indian…

If people voted with their feet, how do you explain Bush and Trump ?

Maybe because nearly 50% of voting population actually preferred Bush/Trump over the alternative? Especially when federal government has vastly increased its power (defense, education, environment, taxes, social policies) and when president has the rare power of nominating supreme court justices who can then stay forever deciding crucial matters (corporations, abortion, gay marriages, affirmative action...). In such cases, its better to vote for a bad candidate on "my side" rather than a better candidate from "other side".

In fewer words - hyper-polarization. Once you win republican or democratic primary, you are guaranteed to win 45% of the vote.

Re: Why many Indian politicians have a criminal record

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post #94

There are some comments in this thread bringing out examples of corruption in the West. While Western societies are by no means perfect and have their own warts, they are much better than India when it comes to corruption, effective judiciary, free press or tolerance for scandals. People typically vote with their feet. If you have any doubts about which society treats its citizens better, just look at how many Indian…

Indians want to immigrate because of the much higher pay and savings in the western economies compared to the pay for the same job locally. I am sure a lot of people are motivated by the much more modern western culture as well but I can assure you that money is the motivation for the majority, as condescending as that sounds.

But why is it that its possible to make more money in western economies than in India? I asked this question to myself (and I am sure many others did too) and at least for me, the principle factor came out to be pervasive corruption. In case you are familiar with both India and western economies, can you think of any other bigger factor?

Re: Why many Indian politicians have a criminal record

#110

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>People who dare to oppose these powerful people discover the true meaning of hell. It's true practically everywhere in the world including the US. It can be true in the US, but it definitely is not the norm. This statement rings false. For all the problems the US has, yes including corruption in some places, it is almost entirely unique in its freedom of speech and its allowance for political opposition without fear…

this is what people are thinking about when they refer to 'American exceptionalism'. You can't seriously believe this?

It should go without saying given the state of the world at the moment:

People can believe some astonishing things; without making those things true.

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