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What Vizio was doing behind the TV screen

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Re: What Vizio was doing behind the TV screen

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They can nag you about retrieving updates.

root it then! Any kid that knows how to point the libstagefright and DirtyCOW MetaSploit modules at the browser can root their "smart" TV...

But you are also supporting the invasive practices by giving the manufacturers your money.

Re: What Vizio was doing behind the TV screen

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Rather than avoiding such TVs, I think we're better off taking some good precautionary measures. Why buy commercial displays which usually are pretty expensive, when you can buy consumer ones and be smart about how you use it? Of course, even if they start coming with in-built wifi, just don't let them connect to anything. First, off taking control of your own home network is crucial. Get a good router, something you…

There's an absurd amount of technical knowledge that you are suggesting that every household in America should subscriber to. Also, if you have a SmartTV, you probably need to allow it contact the internet, otherwise playing internet TV (Netflix, iPlayer, Hulu, etc) is not going to work. If it can access Netflix, it can probably phone home with your data.

I agree with you on the amount of technical knowledge that's needed. I guess routers/home internet security might be ready for some shakeup if someone comes up with a layman-ready interface while being secure.

But, the point of having a firewall is that you can find tune the outgoing IP addresses. Sure, it'll take some time to initially allow all IP addresses for a specific devices, but it shouldn't be undoable. There are lists out there which specify which service owns which IP.

The sole point of a good firewall _is_ that it can only access Netflix and not any unwanted servers.

Re: What Vizio was doing behind the TV screen

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How are fines that are as little as this supposed to deter future companies from sketchy collection practices? One can only assume they made more than $3.7M selling illegally collected data.

There's no incentive for companies to do better and not be shady. It pays to roll the dice and see if you get caught. If you do just say sorry and pay a small fine.

Re: What Vizio was doing behind the TV screen

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If they were aggregating and selling this information to television networks, as a better way of measuring how many viewers a show had, I would be okay with that. It may help keep some of my favorite shows on air. But to sell my individual viewing habits with my IP address? Not okay.

Re: What Vizio was doing behind the TV screen

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This is why i torrent behind a VPN despite being subscribed to HBO now, Netflix, and Amazon Video. My guilt is ameliorated and at least a sliver of ny privacy is maintained.

I'm amazed you can access Netflix behind a VPN.

I don't access Netflix, kind of the whole point :)

Whhen I do use Netflix it's through my PS4.

Re: What Vizio was doing behind the TV screen

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This is why i torrent behind a VPN despite being subscribed to HBO now, Netflix, and Amazon Video. My guilt is ameliorated and at least a sliver of ny privacy is maintained.

You misunderstand how it works. This worked by fingerprinting audio and video at the TV display level, it's not part of the networking layer. If your content was shown on the TV you could be tracked regardless of source.

Thanks and noted. If I ever end up getting a SmartTV (due to dumb TV's no longer being sold), it's never getting on my network and going to be banned at the mac address level.

Re: What Vizio was doing behind the TV screen

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Care to elaborate on this? How you caught it, what and how are you sending back to them?

I'm curious too. Do you have a blog post detailing it?

Can't speak for OP, but my solution involved the words pfSense, tcpdump, bro, and squid.

Re: What Vizio was doing behind the TV screen

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How are fines that are as little as this supposed to deter future companies from sketchy collection practices? One can only assume they made more than $3.7M selling illegally collected data. There's no incentive for companies to do better and not be shady. It pays to roll the dice and see if you get caught. If you do just say sorry and pay a small fine.

It seems a bit odd... spying on people on a massive scale, nobody goes to jail and only a $2M fine

Re: What Vizio was doing behind the TV screen

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What I'm about to say may go against what many of the HN community believes. This isn't an attack on anyone's beliefs; I'm merely expressing my thoughts in an attempt to solicit constructive discourse.

I'mma be honest. I don't understand the repulsion at the possibility of corporation X knowing my personal info, (excluding the usual things like bank account info, SSNs, etc) like my location, search history, etc. To be clear, I'm 10000000% against warrantless (FISA court "warrants" excluded) government access to this information. Here's my reasoning:

* Governments

Have the power to arrest and detain on a whim. Not to mention, use drone strikes.

* Corporations

... Don't. These entities have self-interested incentives to provide tools which are economically productive for users. For example, a smarter smartphone, whatever that may be.

Regarding Vizio, my grip is that Vizio's goal (for this product at least) is to make a profit producing TVs. So, after the TV is sold, the product is individually "finished" (not considering support stuff). So, then, what other product is the data collection for, and what does this product give me in return for my data? The answer to both is no, and not just for Vizio.

Maybe I'm naive.

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