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While I disagree with the travel ban, let's remember that the primary objection that the tech industry has to it is that it will disrupt the flow of cheap talent that it uses to boost its multi-billion dollar profits at the expense of US-educated engineers that would demand higher salaries and benefits. This group of companies may not garner much sympathy.

US educated international students get lumped into the H1B lottery as well.

Re: Amicus brief on behalf of 97 tech companies

#112

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> I don't agree with Trump on a lot of things but I can respect someone who does what he says he'll do. Adolf Hitler was also keeping his promise of eliminating the Jewish "problem" or the lack of the living space for the Germans. Does this increase your respect to him? Of course this is overblown, and Trump is not Hitler. But we should learn our lessons rather than repeat the errors of the past.

Good ol' Godwin's law, I've missed you

So should we forget the Holocaust and WWII because of Godwin?

Please note I've been very careful to put things into perspective here...

Re: Amicus brief on behalf of 97 tech companies

#113

I don't want to dismiss the other, much larger, concerns people have with this executive order, but I want to highlight another aspect. It further reduces the possibility of tourism to these 7 countries, due to the knowledge that if I want to go to the US, I face a much more invasive immigration check (see Norway PM), and the possibility of denied entry, which carries a lasting stigma. Clearly tourism in Syria is not…

It's quite well possible to visit Iran from Europe. My father, who's only moderately adventurous, went last year with a guided bus tour all the way through Turkey (before the latest coup). He absolutely recommended the trip.

Re: Amicus brief on behalf of 97 tech companies

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But that argument won't fly well: "Bunch of rich guys want to go against the will of the people"

Didn't Trump actually lose the popular vote? The USA isn't a democracy, it's a republic.

The "popular vote" is not the will of the people:

a) the rules of voting are clear, this is both the will of the people, and is also what the people are expected to accept as citizens. The time to denounce or change those rules is before your guy loses.

b) the popular vote is not the entire country, because not everyone voted. Not only do campaign strategies and other factors affect those numbers (to a degree that might make up the difference), but if you argue that people who didn't vote simply lost out, or don't count in deriving "the will of the people", then you could just as well argue that so did those who lost to the electoral college system.

Re: Amicus brief on behalf of 97 tech companies

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> The Order represents a significant departure from the principles of fairness and predictability that have governed the immigration system of the United States for more than fifty years Can I derive from this that the 97 tech companies accepts the classified Terrorist Watch List (2mil people), Selectee list, and no fly list? The statement would hold more credibility if the companies acknowledged and denounced the pr…

The outrage expressed by the public is the large driving factor here - the tech companies are saying 'our potential workforce is outraged so we need to oppose this / be seen opposing this'

"potential workforce", or "public"?

Because polls suggest many Americans support the ban.

Re: Amicus brief on behalf of 97 tech companies

#116

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Didn't Trump actually lose the popular vote? The USA isn't a democracy, it's a republic.

When the union formed concessions were made... An Ohian's vote weighs, say 1.4, a californian 0.6. So depending on where you vote, your vote weighs more or less. I read Trump lost the popular vote by 3M. But then so did Bush. I'm not American, my opinion is about as much worth as my passport.

When the union was formed, the big concession was the "three-fifths compromise": slaves counted for the purposes of vote apportioning, but weren't actually allowed to vote. Preservation of the racist institution of slavery was a driving force behind the unequal apportionment.

And California wasn't a state but a largely empty colony of Spain.

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#117

Contrary to my jubilation at this progress, a cynical friend of mine does not take any reassurance from the power checks the judicial branch has brought against the administration. He believes the administration will just find subtler and less obviously illegal ways to slowly move things in the direction they want. I hope this is not so. It is true that you only seem to see this kind of massive reaction to huge, broa…

I'm not a US citizen so I'm just commenting as an observer. I'm a lot less worried about legislation overall because it does get scrutinized by the wider elected legislature. At the end of the day if the US as a nation decides to restrict immigration more then that's your prerogative as a nation. The American people voted in Trump and the current largely Republican legislature fair and square and they do have a right to exercise their legal authority.

My concern about the presidential order is that it bypasses due process and in this case may even be illegal. It appears it may not even have been shown to the administration's attorneys before implementation betrays a cavalier neglect for legality or the enormous harm this order has done to the reputation of the US as a fair country under the rule of law.

Re: Amicus brief on behalf of 97 tech companies

#118
post #56

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Trump issued an executive order (EO) temporarily suspending entry to the US for nationals of 7 countries listed by the DHS as "Countries of Concern", and temporarily suspending the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program. The State of Washington sued to block the EO. The lower court judge issued a temporary restraining order blocking the EO and Trump appealed. Now these 97 tech companies are sharing their opinion with the ap…

>Now these 97 tech companies are sharing their opinion To clarify, this is the leadership of those 97 companies. There is no indication whether or not that this is how the majority of their employees feel. This is the same virtue signaling that resulted in Trump being elected in the first place. An employee of one of these companies wouldn't dare now to express their agreement with Trump's policy because it's against…

That's an obviously nonsense idea. Must every public stance taken by a company be unanimously agreed by every employee? Clearly that's not feasible. Is your opinion then that no company should take public policy stances?

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#119
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One of these is me: http://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=Twitter+Inc&job=Senior+Soft... I am closer to the higher of the salaries listed. This does not include other kinds of compensation I'll be getting. Let me know if you think I am being underpaid.

What's the average or expected salary for a senior software engineer working for twitter in SF?

From what I can tell from glassdoor, I am making a little bit more than average for my level of experience.

I don't have any other sources unfortunately.

Re: Amicus brief on behalf of 97 tech companies

#120
post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump issued an executive order (EO) temporarily suspending entry to the US for nationals of 7 countries listed by the DHS as "Countries of Concern", and temporarily suspending the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program. The State of Washington sued to block the EO. The lower court judge issued a temporary restraining order blocking the EO and Trump appealed. Now these 97 tech companies are sharing their opinion with the ap…

>Now these 97 tech companies are sharing their opinion To clarify, this is the leadership of those 97 companies. There is no indication whether or not that this is how the majority of their employees feel. This is the same virtue signaling that resulted in Trump being elected in the first place. An employee of one of these companies wouldn't dare now to express their agreement with Trump's policy because it's against…

> virtue signaling

It's a funny phrase this. Is any public statement about morality "virtue signalling"? What about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick-fil-A_same-sex_marriage_... - is the condemnation of same-sex marriage by a restaurant chain "virtue signalling", or something else? "Bigotry signalling"?

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