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The woes of Windows 10

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Re: The woes of Windows 10

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"There is no question that Windows 10 is an impressive piece of software, and quite the most secure operating system ever devised."

What? Sorry had to have a bit of a chuckle. That being said it is the most secure version of Windows, well with the expection of collecting tons of your personal habits.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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> Settings are easy to find Hah. You're lucky your Cortana bar still works. They aren't as easy to find when your Cortana bar disappears when you click it. Tried all the random fixes on the internet to no avail. I never even tried to fix privacy concerns -- it just broke.

I have Cortana turned completely off and settings are really easy to get to. Win key -> sett isn't particularly difficult. Or just typing in part of the setting usually finds it right away.

Yeah something like that worked in win7, but now... Win key -> zero response to any text and if I click the text entry box it disappears. Maybe I should turn Cortana off completely, but right now I'm looking into switching to 100% Linux. It's just easier.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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There are also a whole host of security improvements that you can't see. SwiftOnSecurity over on Twitter regularly calls out things that are literally impossible to secure on Win7 that are done for you OOB on Win10.

Any way to filter out all the extraneous tweets to see that information? I'd be interested in seeing a list, but not interested in signing up for Twitter and following someone with the volume of posts on that account.

You can do advanced search using the relevant keywords (etc.) - https://twitter.com/search-advanced

No log in required.

(A "win10" search - https://twitter.com/search?l=&q=win10%20%20from%3ASwiftOnSec...)

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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That performance improvement happened in 8. 10 didn't bring anything new to the table in terms of optimizations.

being partially sarcastic: who could stand 8? as much as you hate the features you have to turn off... 8 was much much worse. 8.1 also really bad. 10 is like 7 that works way better. I also really like my work win10 where corp it has stripped all of the garbage for me, except that stupid "welcome" screen, which you used to be able to skip by task managering. Hello! I know windows is ready to go... I know you love you…

Eh. 8.1 works fine for me. I get the performance improvements over 7, but I also get to control when to apply updates. The start screen was an eyesore at first, but I actually kind of like it now. The Windows 10 "start menu" is much worse, because it's exactly the same as the start screen but way smaller

I have to use 10 at work because I'm working on a driver that I need Windows 8 or newer to write it and the only HDD with anything like that on it had 10, and I absolutely hate that once in a while I come in to work and the OS will have decided at some point during the night that updating itself was more important than whatever it was I had running.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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I'd understand that more if it was all esoteric power-user type stuff that was missing in the new system. But stuff like mouse pointer speed? Apparently Misrosoft has said that they do want to drop the old-style control panel eventually. I realise it's a huge job, but it feels very like a half-finished feature right now.

Mouse speed IS power user stuff. Poll the general populace, what percent actually know about mouse pointer speed or that you can adjust it. back in 2002 I went around bumping everyone's screen resolution from vga in college because it hurt my sole. at least 20% of people got pissed at me for "fucking up their settings". Almost all eventually came back and said "I can't read my whole doc, show me that thing again." Po…

Everything you are saying is only true because Microsoft has done a poor job making easy to follow settings menus.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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> cortana is clippy, we all know that. This is one of the things when they announced was going to be a big part of Windows 10 I knew would turn a lot of people off. I used it sparingly on my WP8, and it was hit or miss most of the time with searches. For instance, I always look for pizza places when I'm in a new city. I was in a new city and had some recommendations from clients. I asked Cortana like five times onmy…

When you set up Win10, it asks whether you want to use Cortana. What's the problem if you say no? Don't use it.

The problem is that they wanted to use it, but it didn't work.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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post #302

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I'd understand that more if it was all esoteric power-user type stuff that was missing in the new system. But stuff like mouse pointer speed? Apparently Misrosoft has said that they do want to drop the old-style control panel eventually. I realise it's a huge job, but it feels very like a half-finished feature right now.

In my Mouse panel, there's an additional tab created by the Trackpad drivers. I can only guess how many proprietary extensions have been built to rely on the old Control Panel interfaces, and how few of them will ever be updated to Windows 10.

To me that sounds like a good thing - I don't like it when drivers need to "inject" themselves into OS level settings.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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post #205

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Just because he isn't using the new features, doesn't mean they aren't useful. WSL is great - still needs work but on the insider previews it's on 16.04 LTS and they're slowly knocking out the nagging little issues with it. If you've got a 2-in-1 like a surface book, the switching from desktop to tablet mode is awesome. If you aren't paranoid (and completely understand why some people are) about the security possibil…

> cortana is actually pretty nice too. And as they slowly tie it into xbox and their other platforms it will just become that much more useful. Those are some of the things that I find most annoying. I don't want my OS tied into other platforms. I don't want a local search to also be an online search. I don't want a file search to also be a Windows Store search. I don't want a dozen opportunities to link my local use…

> more things that I want to disable but can't

Like what? I'm sure there is a way if you care enough.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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The dual control panels are ridiculous. I shouldn't have to go through two totally different interfaces just to change the mouse pointer speed. Type 'mouse' in the start menu, click the result, option isn't there, click 'Additional mouse options', totally different interface appears, go to the Pointer Options tab, drag the slider. And I know this one has been done to death, but the privacy issue really is a major one…

There's a lot in the Control Panel. The more you move to the new Settings app, the more complicated Settings gets. And if Microsoft didn't provide all those settings, or dropped the whole Control Panel, there would be a tornado of criticism. Life is hard when you have 1.5 billion users, especially when a lot of them resist attempts to modernise or even update the system. Do it all at once, they'll complain bitterly.…

> "... especially when a lot of them resist attempts to modernise or even update the system."

I am one of those holdouts, however I would have upgraded a long time ago if Windows 10 had allowed me control over upgrades/updates and had better privacy. After the tricks that Microsoft pulled, trying to force me to upgrade to Windows 10, I do not trust Windows 10 and you cannot feel that about an OS and install it.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Life is hard when you have 1.5 billion users, especially when a lot of them resist attempts to modernise or even update the system. That's true, but it's probably a lot harder when you've proven to be untrustworthy in what you include under "modernisation" or "updates". Plenty of techie people warned that user-hostile behaviour like the GWX campaign or including non-security things in updates advertised as security p…

Not to mention all the dark patterns around pushing the Win10 "upgrade" in the first place.

Yes. (GWX = common shorthand for those "Get Windows 10" updates.)
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