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The woes of Windows 10

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Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by jjcm »

boznz wrote: post #83

Forget any other reason, for $150 a licence (NZ$199) my other computers will never ever see windows 10.. ever

Is $150 that crazy? The original prices for 7 were:

Windows 7 Home Premium (Upgrade) $119.99

Windows 7 Home Premium (Full) $199.99

Windows 7 Family Pack (Upgrade, retail only) $149.99

Windows 7 Professional (Upgrade) $199.99

Windows 7 Professional (Full) $299.99

Windows 7 Ultimate (Upgrade) $219.99

Windows 7 Ultimate (Full) $319.99

$150 seems completely in line with pricing of previous windows versions.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by ClassyJacket »

shmerl wrote: post #9

> But he has also dusted down his four-year-old Apple MacBook Pro and upgraded his Windows 7 desktop to the latest version of Linux Mint rather than Windows 10. Despite their idiosyncrasies, Macintosh and Linux have never looked so attractive. Linux gets refugees both from Windows and MacOS because MS just keeps messing Windows up (seems to be happening every other version), and Apple simply lets MacOS rot by not giv…

Apple releases a major update to MacOS every year with new features. They're releasing a new filesystem this year, and do security updates regularly. The Mac hardware could be called neglected, but the OS is anything but.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by ClassyJacket »

shmerl wrote: post #37
HalfwayToDice wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Apple simply lets MacOS rot by not giving it any attention." It gets a major update every year?

> It gets a major update every year? Yeah, so where is OpenGL 4.5?

It was a bad decision to continue with Metal instead of updating OpenGL, but the operating system is not neglected. One example of a feature you personally want (that I do too) does not constitute neglect. It gets regular updates.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by nathanaldensr »

tdkl wrote: post #189
TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I run - using the word very loosely - Win 10 on a mid-spec 8GB Dell Laptop. It's literally unusably slow. Opening File Manager takes many minutes. This is practically a fresh install. I have Office 365 installed, but very little else. I don't even have a mail client set up. I dual-boot to Ubuntu on the same machine, and the latter is perfectly usable.

5400 RPM HDD ? Also what's the amount of pre-installed crapware running in the background ? Because these don't have anything to do with Windows. I think Windows 10 can be a really nice OS, considering MS would stop with the telemetry/ads BS and make it more accessible to opt out. Until then O&O Shutup 10 tool is indispensible in that matter.

I second your OOSU10 recommendation. In fact, it's the only icon other than the Recycle Bin on my desktop, and I must have a clean desktop!

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by khedoros1 »

coredog64 wrote: post #220
mundo wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thousands of programmer years went in to Win10, and the most positive comment on it is "It's perfectly tolerable if you turn off all that stuff they added." This should be in the dictionary to illustrate the phrase "Damning with faint praise."

There are also a whole host of security improvements that you can't see. SwiftOnSecurity over on Twitter regularly calls out things that are literally impossible to secure on Win7 that are done for you OOB on Win10.

Any way to filter out all the extraneous tweets to see that information? I'd be interested in seeing a list, but not interested in signing up for Twitter and following someone with the volume of posts on that account.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by khedoros1 »

freehunter wrote: post #174
Pica_soO wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If i wanted to work to customize my OS, i would have Nuxed it.

If you don't want to work to customize your OS, you accept the defaults. Those are your two options, and you've already ruled out one of them.

Option 3: Use an OS (or at least OS version) that offers better defaults, while still running the software that you need.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by braveo »

gambiting wrote: post #245
NetStrikeForce wrote: post #237

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Holy sh*t. Are you sure you don't have some malware screwing things up? None of those things are even close to "normal" or "acceptable".

I've literally wiped the whole drive, went back to Win 7 - everything was fine. Upgraded back to Win 10 and had all the same problems again.

you can install win10 directly using your win7 license key if you've already upgraded. I would definitely try that.

It's what I did specifically because I've never trusted an OS upgrade. OS's are too complex for that to work reliably in my opinion.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by khedoros1 »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #172
hfsktr wrote: post #164

I must be in the huge minority. I haven't had a single issue with Windows 10 (if we disregard privacy). Literally everything has just worked. I will say thinking about it that my computer used for 99.99% gaming/internet/text documents. I keep anticipating that something is going to go horribly wrong but so far it's been great. I hate the menu and store that it shows so almost everything I tend to open has a shortcut…

I run - using the word very loosely - Win 10 on a mid-spec 8GB Dell Laptop. It's literally unusably slow. Opening File Manager takes many minutes. This is practically a fresh install. I have Office 365 installed, but very little else. I don't even have a mail client set up. I dual-boot to Ubuntu on the same machine, and the latter is perfectly usable.

I run Windows 10 on a 4GB netbook with a 4-core Atom-derived Celeron and a spinning hard drive. Performance-wise, it's been working well for several months at this point. Something's up with your laptop.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by ClassyJacket »

gpvos wrote: post #38
HalfwayToDice wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Apple simply lets MacOS rot by not giving it any attention." It gets a major update every year?

With which desirable features?

Your subjective "desirable" qualifier leaves it open for you to no-true-Scotsman away any response as "not desirable", but I can show you several.

Sierra brought tabbed applications and a bunch of other end-user features [1]. As for the more technically minded, there's a new filesystem coming this year [2].

I won't defend Apple's treatment of Mac hardware recently, but the software itself does get regular updates for security, performance, and features, regardless of how one subjectively feels about them. Personally I think it's a rather visually ugly operating system and has weird quirks like awful keyboard shortcuts, and I'm mad that they removed a feature (the battery time remaining) but generally functions well for my specific use case.

[1] http://au.pcmag.com/macintosh-os-x/43679/feature/10-things-y...

[2] http://www.cultofmac.com/435718/apfs-new-apple-file-system/

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by shmerl »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #312
shmerl wrote: post #9

> But he has also dusted down his four-year-old Apple MacBook Pro and upgraded his Windows 7 desktop to the latest version of Linux Mint rather than Windows 10. Despite their idiosyncrasies, Macintosh and Linux have never looked so attractive. Linux gets refugees both from Windows and MacOS because MS just keeps messing Windows up (seems to be happening every other version), and Apple simply lets MacOS rot by not giv…

Apple releases a major update to MacOS every year with new features. They're releasing a new filesystem this year, and do security updates regularly. The Mac hardware could be called neglected, but the OS is anything but.

See below.
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