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Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by oldsj »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #172
hfsktr wrote: post #164

I must be in the huge minority. I haven't had a single issue with Windows 10 (if we disregard privacy). Literally everything has just worked. I will say thinking about it that my computer used for 99.99% gaming/internet/text documents. I keep anticipating that something is going to go horribly wrong but so far it's been great. I hate the menu and store that it shows so almost everything I tend to open has a shortcut…

I run - using the word very loosely - Win 10 on a mid-spec 8GB Dell Laptop. It's literally unusably slow. Opening File Manager takes many minutes. This is practically a fresh install. I have Office 365 installed, but very little else. I don't even have a mail client set up. I dual-boot to Ubuntu on the same machine, and the latter is perfectly usable.

Something might be up with your hardware. I run Win10 on a Surface Pro 4 that has a 900Mhz (yes, Mhz) processor and 4GB ram and it's really snappy. Even heavier type apps like Word and Excel have 1 second load times.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by wry_discontent »

bsder wrote: post #210
afghanPower wrote: post #42

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I get (maybe) your argument when it comes to Windows 7 -> Windows 10, but I think you're overestimating how hard it is to get up and running with Arch Linux. Following an Arch install tutorial shouldn't take anyone here on Hackernews more than 2 hours to get their DE, networking etc. up and going. You should try it. It's fun!

> I think you're overestimating how hard it is to get up and running with Arch Linux Not really. Arch was a PITA. FreeBSD has a smoother install (not a compliment to Arch).

I installed Arch earlier this week. It took two beer's worth of time to do.

Followed the instructions, hit a few snags, and resolved them by reading the wiki.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by shmed »

gerbilly wrote: post #98
happypants23 wrote: post #55

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I rather like the clean aesthetic of Windows 10, and am now using it as my main OS. Sure, it's by no means perfect, and there is still work to be done. But by and large I am happier with Windows 10 than with MacOS, Ubuntu, GNOME, and so on. Oh, and the whole "spyware" trope is becoming overworn. User analytics is here to stay, and practically every website and browser does it anyway. At least you can disable it in Wi…

>Oh, and the whole "spyware" trope is becoming overworn. User analytics is here to stay, and practically every website and browser does it anyway. I think we shouldn't take the defeatist position with respect to surveillance. I know that techies like us can block this kind of traffic at the network edge or chase down the multiple settings it takes to turn this off, but not all users will be this sophisticated. We sho…

There's a big distinction between "surveillance" and anonymous "crash logs/telemetry".

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by oldsj »

bsder wrote: post #210
afghanPower wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get (maybe) your argument when it comes to Windows 7 -> Windows 10, but I think you're overestimating how hard it is to get up and running with Arch Linux. Following an Arch install tutorial shouldn't take anyone here on Hackernews more than 2 hours to get their DE, networking etc. up and going. You should try it. It's fun!

> I think you're overestimating how hard it is to get up and running with Arch Linux Not really. Arch was a PITA. FreeBSD has a smoother install (not a compliment to Arch).

And OpenBSD installation is even smoother than FreeBSD!

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by chadgeidel »

Mithaldu wrote: post #230
mundo wrote: post #171

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Thousands of programmer years went in to Win10, and the most positive comment on it is "It's perfectly tolerable if you turn off all that stuff they added." This should be in the dictionary to illustrate the phrase "Damning with faint praise."

I'm a gamer and developer in high performance stuff. I've seen a concrete improvement in both average performance and responsiveness in going from win 7 to win 10 on the same machine.

I recently installed both Windows 7 (32 bit) and Windows 10 (32 bit) on a 1 GB memory machine.

Memory pressure from 10 was lower than 7.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by tdkl »

gozur88 wrote: post #248
alkonaut wrote: post #202

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You either have a hardware problem (mechanical disk?) or a problem with some preinstalled software running in the background. 8GB with even a several years old CPU should be perfectly usable. SSD is absolutely required though. No number of cores and gigs will compensate for the lack of ssd.

I'm running Windows 10 on a machine that's about five years old. No SSD. It's quite snappy. The only issue with speed is startup times are long if you force it to do a full restart. Not a fan of the UI changes, or the advertising. If I didn't buy Office 365 every other day for the last year, what are the odds your popup will get me to buy today?

Right click on the tile and "Remove". There's also a setting which blocks reinstalling those preloaded crap "apps" with updates. O&O Shutup 10 can help with that.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by antisthenes »

alkonaut wrote: post #202
TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #172

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I run - using the word very loosely - Win 10 on a mid-spec 8GB Dell Laptop. It's literally unusably slow. Opening File Manager takes many minutes. This is practically a fresh install. I have Office 365 installed, but very little else. I don't even have a mail client set up. I dual-boot to Ubuntu on the same machine, and the latter is perfectly usable.

You either have a hardware problem (mechanical disk?) or a problem with some preinstalled software running in the background. 8GB with even a several years old CPU should be perfectly usable. SSD is absolutely required though. No number of cores and gigs will compensate for the lack of ssd.

What a day we live in when having a mechanical disk for a primary OS drive is straight up considered a hardware problem.

I fully agree with you, though. An SSD this day and age is mandatory.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by oldsj »

dcdevito wrote: post #214
jacquesc wrote: post #182

I got a Windows 10 laptop (Razer) for Christmas for gaming / media / browsing purposes (been a Mac user for 10+ yrs). It's buggy as hell. The shortcut icons on the desktop and taskbar kept going away (replacing all the icons with a "not found" placeholder), forcing me to reinstall the OS. Now none of the search functions work (e.g. windows key -> search for app.. no results). Whatever, I just use 2 apps anyways (Chro…

Sorry to hear that, Razer is utter garbage. Not to mention they have the WORST customer support on the planet. I'd sell it mate, ASAP. Seriously, not joking. Sell it and get an XPS

XPS hardware is probably better than Razer, but its not Apple level either though.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by chadgeidel »

67726e wrote: post #175
TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #172

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I run - using the word very loosely - Win 10 on a mid-spec 8GB Dell Laptop. It's literally unusably slow. Opening File Manager takes many minutes. This is practically a fresh install. I have Office 365 installed, but very little else. I don't even have a mail client set up. I dual-boot to Ubuntu on the same machine, and the latter is perfectly usable.

I've had fresh Windows 10 (no crapware) installs on two different development machines at two different companies. Both times it was slower than hell, and I immediately asked for a Linux install. Perhaps this is me finally getting old and curmedgeony at the ripe old age of twenty-three, but I'll be damned if I'm switching my personal computer away from Windows 7 anytime soon.

Company supplied image? There's your problem. :-D

If you were able to move to Linux - more power to you. Some of us are stuck with mighty machines and horrible system image with 10 kinds of disk/processor heavy background "management and security" apps running on boot.

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