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The woes of Windows 10

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Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by kyriakos »

hfsktr wrote: post #164

I must be in the huge minority. I haven't had a single issue with Windows 10 (if we disregard privacy). Literally everything has just worked. I will say thinking about it that my computer used for 99.99% gaming/internet/text documents. I keep anticipating that something is going to go horribly wrong but so far it's been great. I hate the menu and store that it shows so almost everything I tend to open has a shortcut…

You are not alone, I run 3 PCs with Windows 10 all 3 had zero problems - everything works fine. I understand people being privacy concern but as an android user I feel like that ship has sailed a long time ago.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by jacquesc »

I got a Windows 10 laptop (Razer) for Christmas for gaming / media / browsing purposes (been a Mac user for 10+ yrs).

It's buggy as hell. The shortcut icons on the desktop and taskbar kept going away (replacing all the icons with a "not found" placeholder), forcing me to reinstall the OS. Now none of the search functions work (e.g. windows key -> search for app.. no results). Whatever, I just use 2 apps anyways (Chrome and Steam).

Windows settings panels have at least 2 diff ways to configure anything, the "old" and the "new". Graphics settings have 4 places to change stuff (Intel, Nvidia, built in old and new). It's just a jumbled mess.

Bluetooth never recognizes device names (it's a guessing game as to which "Unknown Device" is the one I want). The trackpad is mediocre, and the config panel from Synaptics probably hasn't changed since Windows 95.

With the tech press in love with Windows 10, I was definitely expecting more. Feels like people just want to love every other version of Windows (7 "good", 8 "bad", 10 "good again).

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by vondur »

mundo wrote: post #171
hfsktr wrote: post #164

I must be in the huge minority. I haven't had a single issue with Windows 10 (if we disregard privacy). Literally everything has just worked. I will say thinking about it that my computer used for 99.99% gaming/internet/text documents. I keep anticipating that something is going to go horribly wrong but so far it's been great. I hate the menu and store that it shows so almost everything I tend to open has a shortcut…

Thousands of programmer years went in to Win10, and the most positive comment on it is "It's perfectly tolerable if you turn off all that stuff they added." This should be in the dictionary to illustrate the phrase "Damning with faint praise."

I'd imagine those features that the programmers implemented was not something they had a say in. I imagine Microsoft has a large bureaucracy that determines what features that make it into a Windows release.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by kyriakos »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #172
hfsktr wrote: post #164

I must be in the huge minority. I haven't had a single issue with Windows 10 (if we disregard privacy). Literally everything has just worked. I will say thinking about it that my computer used for 99.99% gaming/internet/text documents. I keep anticipating that something is going to go horribly wrong but so far it's been great. I hate the menu and store that it shows so almost everything I tend to open has a shortcut…

I run - using the word very loosely - Win 10 on a mid-spec 8GB Dell Laptop. It's literally unusably slow. Opening File Manager takes many minutes. This is practically a fresh install. I have Office 365 installed, but very little else. I don't even have a mail client set up. I dual-boot to Ubuntu on the same machine, and the latter is perfectly usable.

I have an 8GB 5 year old laptop running it smoothly - and its quite usable on a Core 2 Duo / 2GB ram 8 year old HTPC (yes a PC i built 8 years ago).

p.s. the laptop has an SSD installed.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by dublinben »

kyriakos wrote: post #181
hfsktr wrote: post #164

I must be in the huge minority. I haven't had a single issue with Windows 10 (if we disregard privacy). Literally everything has just worked. I will say thinking about it that my computer used for 99.99% gaming/internet/text documents. I keep anticipating that something is going to go horribly wrong but so far it's been great. I hate the menu and store that it shows so almost everything I tend to open has a shortcut…

You are not alone, I run 3 PCs with Windows 10 all 3 had zero problems - everything works fine. I understand people being privacy concern but as an android user I feel like that ship has sailed a long time ago.

You can use Android without sacrificing your privacy. You should be able to use your computer the same way. Sadly, Microsoft disagrees.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by ihattendorf »

shmerl wrote: post #27
melling wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You just made three subjective claims. I don't see Linux's market share growing by large numbers. Apple updates macOS every year. Which features do you want? I haven't used Windows in a while but Microsoft seems to be making faster progress in updating Windows, browser, etc.

> don't see Linux's market share growing by large numbers. https://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=9&qpcustom=... > Apple updates macOS every year. I hear complaints from MacOS users about the bit rot all the time. Where is OpenGL 4.5 for instance? And not just graphics. Many simply feel it's completely stagnated, because Apple are too busy with their mobile delirium, and don't care about desktop anymore.

> large numbers

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by chrisper »

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #53
wildmusings wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

* Secure Boot * BitLocker: Hard-drive encryption backed by TPM & Secure Boot With the above two and DMA protection, physical access attacks become very difficult. * Virtual Secure Mode (VSM) - separate OS running on the hypervisor that can perform sensitive operations. Which enables: 1. Device Guard - Runs code integrity protection, i.e. only allowing signed code to run, from within the VSM. 2. Credential Guard - Run…

Regarding hard drive encryption backed by TPM, a) this has been a thing since Win7, and b) google tells me it only works OOTB on Win10 if you sign into Windows with your Microsoft account; how many people do that? If that's the secret sauce that makes Win10 so much better, color me unimpressed. And neither of those features offer additional protection against zero-days (neither does VSM), which are what the TFA discu…

I am running Bitlocker without a Microsoft Account. You can just print out the recovery key instead (or you can just configure bitlocker through command line).

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by tdkl »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #172
hfsktr wrote: post #164

I must be in the huge minority. I haven't had a single issue with Windows 10 (if we disregard privacy). Literally everything has just worked. I will say thinking about it that my computer used for 99.99% gaming/internet/text documents. I keep anticipating that something is going to go horribly wrong but so far it's been great. I hate the menu and store that it shows so almost everything I tend to open has a shortcut…

I run - using the word very loosely - Win 10 on a mid-spec 8GB Dell Laptop. It's literally unusably slow. Opening File Manager takes many minutes. This is practically a fresh install. I have Office 365 installed, but very little else. I don't even have a mail client set up. I dual-boot to Ubuntu on the same machine, and the latter is perfectly usable.

5400 RPM HDD ? Also what's the amount of pre-installed crapware running in the background ? Because these don't have anything to do with Windows.

I think Windows 10 can be a really nice OS, considering MS would stop with the telemetry/ads BS and make it more accessible to opt out. Until then O&O Shutup 10 tool is indispensible in that matter.

Re: The woes of Windows 10

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Post by acqq »

dmalvarado wrote: post #160

Well that was weird. tldr; Windows has 92% OS share. Windows 10 only accounts for 24% (maybe). Windows 10 is so, so secure. How to make people upgrade? Windows 10 new update will have advertising. Other OS's sure look good now. I feel like this section of the Economist doesn't get much editorial review.

> Windows 10 new update will have advertising.

And I don't see anybody blinks here on HN about that. Why?

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/85341/microsoft-...

"So Windows 10 pops-up little advertising windows—sorry, tips—on the Edge icon in the taskbar, or in the Action Center UI, or in the Settings interface where you can change your defaults, because it really, really, really doesn’t want you to exercise free will and make a better decision for yourself."

"For the next version of Windows 10, Microsoft is even experimenting with ads—sorry, tips—that will appear in File Explorer. You don’t get any more “in the OS user interface” than that, folks, unless Microsoft starts displaying ads in event logs next. Don’t laugh.

So repeat after me: There are ads all over Windows. And it’s just getting worse."

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