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Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Post by Wildgoose » Thu, Feb 02, 2017, 5:42 PM UTC

neaden wrote: post #10

A reminder that at a similar protest in Seattle just last week one of the protesters was shot by one of Milo's supporters. The shooter was not arrested and has not been charged. But you know, breaking window's is pretty bad too. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/25/shooting-mil...

No, one protestor mistook the "anti-fascist" tattoo on another protestor as implying support for fascism, and so shot him.

The violence was all carried out by those trying to shut down the free speech of a gay Jew who only dates black men.

Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Post by pabloski » Thu, Feb 02, 2017, 5:43 PM UTC

tw04 wrote: post #14

I'm sorry, but the fact our president doesn't actually understand what free speech means is appalling. Free speech doesn't mean a college has to give you a platform from which to spew your hate speech. Ironically him threatening to defund them over this is actually a borderline violation of the college's free speech rights.

Free speech doesn't mean guerrilla warfare either. The radical chics should learn that losing is a fact of life.

Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Post by leoh » Thu, Feb 02, 2017, 5:43 PM UTC

monksy wrote: post #17

tw04 wrote: post #14

I'm sorry, but the fact our president doesn't actually understand what free speech means is appalling. Free speech doesn't mean a college has to give you a platform from which to spew your hate speech. Ironically him threatening to defund them over this is actually a borderline violation of the college's free speech rights.

If they have federal funding they do. (Amongst a lot of other things that they're required to enforce)

Hate speech is not protected by the first amendment.

Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Post by zorpner » Thu, Feb 02, 2017, 5:44 PM UTC

monksy wrote: post #17

tw04 wrote: post #14

I'm sorry, but the fact our president doesn't actually understand what free speech means is appalling. Free speech doesn't mean a college has to give you a platform from which to spew your hate speech. Ironically him threatening to defund them over this is actually a borderline violation of the college's free speech rights.

If they have federal funding they do. (Amongst a lot of other things that they're required to enforce)

No, the receipt of federal funding does not require that the receiver grant a platform to all comers. That would be absurd.

Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Post by Wildgoose » Thu, Feb 02, 2017, 5:44 PM UTC

vkou wrote: post #11

MrZongle2 wrote: post #2

FTA: “I do not believe our students were involved in the vandalism and the violent behavior that occurred,” the university's police chief, Margo Bennet, told reporters. “This was a group of agitators who were masked up, throwing rocks, commercial-grade fireworks and Molotov cocktails at officers. Those were not our students. That's not our students' behavior.” At this point I'm far more curious about the behavior of…

Well, at similar protests at UW, where one of Milo's supporters shot an unarmed man, the police released him without charges. This should tell you exactly where the police stand, vis-a-vis fascism in America.

It wasn't one of Milo's supporters, it was another (violent) protestor. [Edit] Seems I have been misinformed.

Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Post by vkou » Thu, Feb 02, 2017, 5:44 PM UTC

Moshe_Silnorin wrote: post #19

vkou wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Milo has no god-enshrined right to hold a rally at a university campus, just like he has no god-enshrined right to hold one at the country club down the road. It is completely consistent to protest the establishments allowing him to do so. There is also the argument that fascism is an existential threat to liberal democracy. See the paradox of tolerance.

He does at public universities.

No, he doesn't. Universities are free to choose who they will invite to speak. He is using campus facilities - specifically, lecture halls for his rally. They have the right to refuse.

If he held his rally on the lawn, that would be a different story.

Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Post by watty » Thu, Feb 02, 2017, 5:45 PM UTC

neaden wrote: post #10

A reminder that at a similar protest in Seattle just last week one of the protesters was shot by one of Milo's supporters. The shooter was not arrested and has not been charged. But you know, breaking window's is pretty bad too. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/25/shooting-mil...

What's your point? The shooter claims self defense, willingly turned himself in, and the victim doesn't want to file charges.

I watched some of the live streaming of the protests and it was pretty insane - not just "breaking windows" but pepper spraying the opposition, lighting property on fire, throwing molotov cocktails and fireworks, and one instance of beating a guy unconscious and kicking him on the ground.

It wasn't just "breaking windows" and whether you're left, right, or north - you should be vehemently disapproving it.

Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Feb 02, 2017, 5:45 PM UTC

neaden wrote: post #10

A reminder that at a similar protest in Seattle just last week one of the protesters was shot by one of Milo's supporters. The shooter was not arrested and has not been charged. But you know, breaking window's is pretty bad too. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/25/shooting-mil...

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Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Post by neaden » Thu, Feb 02, 2017, 5:45 PM UTC

Wildgoose wrote: post #21

neaden wrote: post #10

A reminder that at a similar protest in Seattle just last week one of the protesters was shot by one of Milo's supporters. The shooter was not arrested and has not been charged. But you know, breaking window's is pretty bad too. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/25/shooting-mil...

No, one protestor mistook the "anti-fascist" tattoo on another protestor as implying support for fascism, and so shot him. The violence was all carried out by those trying to shut down the free speech of a gay Jew who only dates black men.

Do you have a citation for that since it goes against every report I've seen.

Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Post by general_ai » Thu, Feb 02, 2017, 5:46 PM UTC

neaden wrote: post #10

A reminder that at a similar protest in Seattle just last week one of the protesters was shot by one of Milo's supporters. The shooter was not arrested and has not been charged. But you know, breaking window's is pretty bad too. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/25/shooting-mil...

Fake news. Antifa thug was shot by a man whose identity or political affiliation hasn't been disclosed, in self defense. How do we know it was in self defense? UW police said so, after releasing him.