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Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Post by vkou »

MrZongle2 wrote: post #2

FTA: “I do not believe our students were involved in the vandalism and the violent behavior that occurred,” the university's police chief, Margo Bennet, told reporters. “This was a group of agitators who were masked up, throwing rocks, commercial-grade fireworks and Molotov cocktails at officers. Those were not our students. That's not our students' behavior.” At this point I'm far more curious about the behavior of…

Well, at similar protests at UW, where one of Milo's supporters shot an unarmed man, the police released him without charges.

This should tell you exactly where the police stand, vis-a-vis fascism in America.

Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Post by DerpyBaby123 »

elmerfud wrote: post #3

I'm not sure I totally agree with the idea to cut funds, but there is certainly a problem where protesters have forgotten how to be peaceable. This is kind of a natural out growth of the "ends justify the means" philosophy. Since people replying can't seem to read critically let me clarify. I didn't say ALL or most protests haven't been peaceable. Because you can cite peaceful ones does not mean that there is not a p…

Given how often violence is started by police officers, I wouldn't jump to this conclusion. False flag operations also occur, in order to being about exactly the sentiment you're expressing.

Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Post by urbanj »

neaden wrote: post #10

A reminder that at a similar protest in Seattle just last week one of the protesters was shot by one of Milo's supporters. The shooter was not arrested and has not been charged. But you know, breaking window's is pretty bad too. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/25/shooting-mil...

Does anyone have a link to Milo's condemnation of that act?

Anyone?

Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Post by tw04 »

I'm sorry, but the fact our president doesn't actually understand what free speech means is appalling.

Free speech doesn't mean a college has to give you a platform from which to spew your hate speech. Ironically him threatening to defund them over this is actually a borderline violation of the college's free speech rights.

Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Post by monksy »

vkou wrote: post #11
MrZongle2 wrote: post #2

FTA: “I do not believe our students were involved in the vandalism and the violent behavior that occurred,” the university's police chief, Margo Bennet, told reporters. “This was a group of agitators who were masked up, throwing rocks, commercial-grade fireworks and Molotov cocktails at officers. Those were not our students. That's not our students' behavior.” At this point I'm far more curious about the behavior of…

Well, at similar protests at UW, where one of Milo's supporters shot an unarmed man, the police released him without charges. This should tell you exactly where the police stand, vis-a-vis fascism in America.

Why exactly was he not charged? The police aren't exactly there to say "oh yea you did it .. but you're free to go" They're highly incentivized to put people in jail.

Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Post by vkou »

Alex3917 wrote: post #8
general_ai wrote: post #4

That wasn't a protest. That was a riot. Let's call a spade a spade for once. I dont't expect much from Jeff Bezos's personal blog, but here on HN standards should be higher.

Regardless of what you want to call it, the real question is why liberals are now fighting against civil liberties.

Milo has no god-enshrined right to hold a rally at a university campus, just like he has no god-enshrined right to hold one at the country club down the road. It is completely consistent to protest the establishments allowing him to do so.

There is also the argument that fascism is an existential threat to liberal democracy. See the paradox of tolerance.

Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Post by monksy »

tw04 wrote: post #14

I'm sorry, but the fact our president doesn't actually understand what free speech means is appalling. Free speech doesn't mean a college has to give you a platform from which to spew your hate speech. Ironically him threatening to defund them over this is actually a borderline violation of the college's free speech rights.

If they have federal funding they do. (Amongst a lot of other things that they're required to enforce)

Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Post by Moshe_Silnorin »

vkou wrote: post #16
Alex3917 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of what you want to call it, the real question is why liberals are now fighting against civil liberties.

Milo has no god-enshrined right to hold a rally at a university campus, just like he has no god-enshrined right to hold one at the country club down the road. It is completely consistent to protest the establishments allowing him to do so. There is also the argument that fascism is an existential threat to liberal democracy. See the paradox of tolerance.

He does at public universities.

Re: Trump threatens to cut funds to UC Berkeley after protest

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Post by Alex3917 »

vkou wrote: post #16
Alex3917 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of what you want to call it, the real question is why liberals are now fighting against civil liberties.

Milo has no god-enshrined right to hold a rally at a university campus, just like he has no god-enshrined right to hold one at the country club down the road. It is completely consistent to protest the establishments allowing him to do so. There is also the argument that fascism is an existential threat to liberal democracy. See the paradox of tolerance.

You're missing the point though. They're protesting him because one of his Twitter followers called Leslie Jones an ape.

And yet they weren't throwing rocks at Bernie because his followers referred to black people as low-information voters. Nor were they protesting Hillary because her followers referred to Obama as a boy.

Do you really not see the double standard?

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