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New H1-B Visa bill doubles the salary requirements to $130K/yr

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I love the blatant racism of HN. Everyone loves to rip on the H1-B, which is predominantly used by Indians, but no one seems to give a shit about the TN visa. Aren't those Canadians stealing your precious American jobs too?

I love the blatant racism of HN. Please don't generalize about the HN community in this way, particularly as you choose to be part of it.

why? Do you get kicked in the balls?

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The simplest way to fix this program is to let H1-B holders freely switch jobs.

They already can, in the current system.

They have to reapply through their new employer. The applications can fail.

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>while his senior counselor and strategist thinks there are too many asians in Silicon Valley The idea that you can have "too many" of any type of person is about an un-american as one can be. Somehow Trump has no problem with 'too many' chubby white supremacists in the white house. Oh right, whites get a pass on everything. Its only non-whites that have to worry about being too high profile or too successful as to n…

I'm tired of this "un-american" nonesense. I remember when it was "un-american" to oppose the Iraq war. Not wanting to be inundated with foreigners is a valid political position whether you like it or not.

Blatant racism and bigotry is valid? Irish and Italians were once niggers in America too. My view is racist assholes are human, have free speech rights, should not be silenced, but like any cockroach should have light shined on them and their perverted beliefs. Y'all need to read you some John Rawls and learn about the "veil of ignorance" rather than being so fucking ignorant.

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Given what "boots on the ground" typically means for federal agencies (i.e. armed raids), your suggestion makes me twitchy.

You don't need armed raid to audit visa compliance. You need one bespectacled guy with a briefcase. It's true that most of the US law enforcement wants to look like military and tries to use armed troops way out of proportion (I mean, Library of Congress and Department of Education have their owned armed response units, because regular police isn't tough enough to deal with education issues anymore, apparently) - but…

You're right that it would be possible with something akin to a health department visit, but need rarely has anything to do with armed raids.

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If you think banning access to international talent will make next startup owner to set up shop in Omaha, you are sadly mistaken. It'll be Toronto, or Vancouver.

If you think there won't be people that would try to start businesses in America, you are sadly mistaken.

Of course there would be. There are people trying to start business in Somalia, US is not that bad :) It's just there would be less of them, and when they hit the limitations they'd tend to move to places where such limitations do not exist.

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Here's where software people find "loopholes" like they're looking for edge case bugs in code. Suppose Tata pulls exactly what you describe. Do you think that stands a half a chance in hell of standing up to scrutiny by DoL?

That's interesting. So the laws aren't being taken literally?

They are generally not treated as executable code written in English, but rather are interpreted taking into account the facts and circumstances.

If Tata has hundreds of employees, all making $80K and a $50K bonus, none earning the bonus due to poor individual performance, but all being retained by the company and sent on new client engagements (presumably due to acceptable performance).

In finance, this is often referred to as substance over form, but the same concept applies in other areas of civil law as well.

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> Likely there should be some path for immigrant students to stay, but H-1B shouldn't be that path. Perhaps they should create an exception that allows immigrant student to work for entry-level market wages for a few years after they graduate. I mean, immigrants students will need some kind of visa that lets them work to stay here after school. It could be the H-1B, or something else. But the only way they can stay i…

> Perhaps they should create an exception that allows immigrant student to work for entry-level market wages for a few years after they graduate. They have something like this, it's called Optional Practical Training (OPT).

Yes, I know about OPT. I was making the general point that if there is going to be reform, we need to make sure that there is some way for immigrant students to stay and work in the country after they graduate. Right now, we've got that through OPT, the 3-year OPT extension for STEM graduates, and the H-1B visa. A few students lose multiple rounds on the H-1B lottery, use up their OPT, and get kicked out. If we're going to reform the system, we should try to not eliminate the pathway that exists, and preferably provide one that's even better.

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if there's really a scarcity, then there shouldn't be a problem paying higher wages as these bills require right - especially given how huge money-spinners successful drug molecules can be.

You seem to be assuming that salaries are based only on scarcity. This is of course wrong - they also are based on available budgets. If there's nobody to hire for available money, the result may be not more money offered, but less startups surviving. Startup can be hugely successful - but more likely it would be wasted money. Salary floor means more money wasted, means higher risk, means less startups. Or at least l…

I don't at all assume that and nothing constrains you from hiring your own citizens at lower salaries if they'll accept them or investing in training them, making your colleges more accessible and affordable etc. The proposals merely say if you want to hire non Americans, pay more. If you don't want to invest in training your citizens and also don't want to pay more to hire outsiders, maybe you should relook at your business model or incorporate in another country.

This level of open regulatory capture, gaming of the system and not looking out for the interests of the 99% strikes me as dangerous and destabilizing over the long term (but you know that already - that's why Trump won). No one wants a de-stabilized nuclear power.

I'm saying this as a citizen of a country that will certainly get affected by any of these proposed restrictions.

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if there's really a scarcity, then there shouldn't be a problem paying higher wages as these bills require right - especially given how huge money-spinners successful drug molecules can be.

Yes, there is a problem paying 130k. For a masters or even phd straight out of school that's a lot. (I'm excluding you living in bubbles like SF).

Relative to what? There's no such thing as an absolute "that's a lot".

If you poke into it, you'll probably find that the "lot" assumption is typically "relative to what other masters and PhDs from universities are paid". So why not hire them instead?

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Here is the summary straight from the horses mouth: https://lofgren.house.gov/uploadedfiles/high_skilled_bill_sx... A few points: - This does not raise the salary requirement to $130k/yr. This only applies to employers that do not want to do the extra paper work for "attestations regarding recruitment and non-displacement of U.S. workers" - It takes a "market based" allocation strategy which allows "cash bonuses and…

Thanks for this! I've been on multiple H1B visas, at both large companies and startups. I've also sponsored H1B visas as an employer. I would support this bill. The headline is a classic example of sensational journalism by the Times of India. The $130k salary requirement applies only to "dependent employers", defined as employers with over 15% of their workforce on H1Bs. This is clearly aimed at reducing H1B misuse…

EOD, this is just a bill, such bills have been introduced in the past but never saw the light of day, its just that, this time around, this is being introduced under Trump.

All in all, there are some benefits in this bill. Does it say anything about green card backlog? or was my interpretation wrong?

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