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Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by WarmToaster »

NotSammyHagar wrote: post #184
WarmToaster wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need oil. People like their modern society built on oil. The Saudis have too much leverage over the American political establishment. The proper way to deal with them would be to nuke Mecca but that won't happen.

I prefer no nuking of anyone or anything. Move off saudi oil. We've been doing it for years, actually. The latest way to get away is electric cars.

Honestly, Islam was a disaster only surpassed by the Mongols and their sacking of Eurasia. Which helped the position of Europeans who got a rain check for a period of unthinkable slaughter.

And then the European assholes killed off millions of their men for nothing other than setting the state for American hyperhegemony.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by FT_intern »

This is ridiculous.

There is no reason to punish or berate some person/entity/company for NOT participating in a strike. It would only make sense if the company openly tried to take advantage of the strike or attempted to stop or disturb the strike.

Inaction should not be considered as malice

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by grzm »

WarmToaster wrote: post #170
wpietri wrote: post #155

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You don't understand protest. Sure, one thing you can do is disrupt the specific people doing something bad. But that's pretty rare. As MLK explains, the point is to create a more general disruption so that everyone has to take notice of an issue they might otherwise ignore: "Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is…

And now blacks are ed because "shallow understanding from people of good will" led to the situation where more blacks kill other blacks in a year than the entire history of lynchings from the Ku Klux Klan. A significant number of AA males grow up in fatherless homes. The entire situation is an atrocity exhibition.

Please don't take already difficult political topics further off into even more flammable weeds.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by hueving »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #3

Dan Primack summarised this well; Uber failed on messaging: "Uber has done a lot of questionable things over the years, but its actions this past weekend vis-a-vis Trump's immigration ban weren't among them. An actual timeline from Saturday, which may differ from what you saw on social media: • 4:20pm ET: CEO Travis Kalanick sent email to employees. It stopped short of explicitly opposing the ban, but did say: (1) Th…

The current political climate is such that there is so much blind anger on the liberal side about Trump that there is little room for nuance. Everything is either fighting for justice or is a tool of the Trump hate machine.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by SomeStupidPoint »

hackinthebochs wrote: post #142
panarky wrote: post #109

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Collaborating with the administration legitimizes and normalizes their policies of hate. This does far more damage than any marginal benefit from "speaking into the president's ear". I'm sure it's good for Uber to be on Trump's team, but don't pretend you're "standing up for what's right".

This sort of thinking is so tragically misguided. If the only sane people who might potentially have Trump's ear turn away from this role, then the only people advising Trump are the extremely dangerous group he currently has! This is the far bigger danger then appearing to "legitimize" him (as if someone who was elected president needs any more legitimacy). The good he could do as an adviser is orders of magnitude g…

Normally I would agree, because that's true in most cases.

But we're past that here. The Germans went with it, and I'm sure some thought at the start that going along would let them do some good. Look how that turned out.

No, it's not okay to just do business as usual here and try to nudge things a bit with policy suggestions. It's time for much more active responses.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by hueving »

wpietri wrote: post #186
hueving wrote: post #177

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I think you ignored his point or misunderstood. The majority of NYC already is on their side. It would be like MLK advocating for equal rights protests in a majority-black church.

Neither. NYC residents being hazily "on their side" in a broad political struggle is distinct from actively doing something to oppose the EO. Again, read the Letter. And no, it wouldn't. Although that is something that he did quite a bit of, given that he got his start as a Baptist preacher, so I'm not sure your analogy works.

He didn't intentionally disrupt people already supporting him. As in, he didn't block a group of people trying to get to a church that was about to preach about black rights.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by rosser »

dajohnson89 wrote: post #190
untog wrote: post #143

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...and Lyft have taken $1m of his money and donated it to the ACLU. The situation is confusing to say the least.

For clarity, it helps to realize that all parties involved are business entities which do whatever it takes to maximize profit. That is the main theme. There is no philosophical or moral consistency to be found. Don't look for something (is x or y pro or anti-z) which isn't there. Uber and Lyft are both for-profit enterprises answerable to pushy shareholders. They both have their hands dirty with Trump. They both kee…

I think that's a little reductive.

Everything you say is true, but those "implementation details" aren't just implementation details. You say that like the actual implementation of a thing is immaterial. That's the meat of the thing; that's its substance. The stuff you're enumerating is more structural.

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Post by SomeStupidPoint »

hueving wrote: post #168
panarky wrote: post #69

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This isn't about "messaging" or "optics". Kalanick is playing a double game, collaborating with the Trump administration on the one hand, while simultaneously trying to be seen as moral. This is too transparent and Kalanick got caught trying to play both sides. If he believes the Muslim ban and other policies of hate are immoral, he should loudly and publicly resign his position on the president's economic advisory g…

That is how a child would behave. You can't quit and ignore the person in charge. When have you ever heard the advice, "you get what you want by refusing to engage the only people who can do something about it?"

The person in charge is only in charge because we agree to it. Not agreeing -- and refusing to give them your influence -- is the only way bad leaders are ever removed.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by [deleted] »

DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #172
enobrev wrote: post #140

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I don't disagree with your point, whatsoever, but I did see another perspective that I might not have otherwise considered while working with a larger company recently. During the public debates regarding marriage equality, the company showed a very public display of support for marriage equality. They updated their branding and I assume their marketing as well to show that support. From the inside, it was clear that…

That's an interesting perspective. Thanks for sharing. Another perspective is that Christian and Muslim employees of those companies were told that the management's official policy is that certain aspects of their religious beliefs are wrong. Can you imagine those employees weighing speaking up for themselves vs. their need to keep their jobs? I've seen employees in that situation, and their morale was definitely not…

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Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by hackinthebochs »

SomeStupidPoint wrote: post #205
hackinthebochs wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sort of thinking is so tragically misguided. If the only sane people who might potentially have Trump's ear turn away from this role, then the only people advising Trump are the extremely dangerous group he currently has! This is the far bigger danger then appearing to "legitimize" him (as if someone who was elected president needs any more legitimacy). The good he could do as an adviser is orders of magnitude g…

Normally I would agree, because that's true in most cases. But we're past that here. The Germans went with it, and I'm sure some thought at the start that going along would let them do some good. Look how that turned out. No, it's not okay to just do business as usual here and try to nudge things a bit with policy suggestions. It's time for much more active responses.

Maybe that's true, but not being on an economic advisory board isn't the kind of "active response" you're talking about.
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