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Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by pfarnsworth »

panarky wrote: post #69
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #3

Dan Primack summarised this well; Uber failed on messaging: "Uber has done a lot of questionable things over the years, but its actions this past weekend vis-a-vis Trump's immigration ban weren't among them. An actual timeline from Saturday, which may differ from what you saw on social media: • 4:20pm ET: CEO Travis Kalanick sent email to employees. It stopped short of explicitly opposing the ban, but did say: (1) Th…

This isn't about "messaging" or "optics". Kalanick is playing a double game, collaborating with the Trump administration on the one hand, while simultaneously trying to be seen as moral. This is too transparent and Kalanick got caught trying to play both sides. If he believes the Muslim ban and other policies of hate are immoral, he should loudly and publicly resign his position on the president's economic advisory g…

you're going to use Lyft, when it's a direct investment of both Peter Thiel and Carl Icahn? Both very, very close associates of Trump and actually helped him win the White House?

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by Consultant32452 »

untog wrote: post #161
Consultant32452 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of the people involved in the protests from top to bottom are just virtue signaling. The CIA went into Syria in 2006 and started funding and training opposition forces leading to the current civil war. The Obama administration is responsible for a quarter million deaths in Syria alone. And that doesn't include the use of cluster bombs, an act considered a war crime in most of the civilized world, on several of th…

Many of those protesting are objecting to green card holders being blocked entry into the country they are permanent residents of. People will always protest against things that are more immediately visible to them than things they read about in infrequent news articles. That's just human nature.

No, people protest against things that the media manipulates them into protesting for. The inflammatory language has been scandalous at best. The media didn't encourage people to protest when Obama and Clinton proudly funded a wall between the US and Mexico in 2006. But now we've had "No Wall" protests in quite a few places and traditional leftists making right-wing supply side economics arguments against renegotiating NAFTA... yet another thing both Clinton and Obama campaigned for in 2008. Make no mistake, this is the butt-hurt media's doing.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by temp-07567-56 »

WarmToaster wrote: post #170
wpietri wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't understand protest. Sure, one thing you can do is disrupt the specific people doing something bad. But that's pretty rare. As MLK explains, the point is to create a more general disruption so that everyone has to take notice of an issue they might otherwise ignore: "Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is…

And now blacks are ed because "shallow understanding from people of good will" led to the situation where more blacks kill other blacks in a year than the entire history of lynchings from the Ku Klux Klan. A significant number of AA males grow up in fatherless homes. The entire situation is an atrocity exhibition.

Stop distracting. Blacks don't kill other blacks for being black -- but KKK did and hate groups do. MLK's quote about protest was relevant not for race reasons, but to illustrate that the insistence of order and the vehement resentment of unrest is not a passive stance, but a conscious ideological, statist one.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by NotSammyHagar »

WarmToaster wrote: post #179
NotSammyHagar wrote: post #169

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Except they left out the countries with the most known terrorist activities in the us, that happened to be countries with major trump investments, that would be Saudia Arabia and Egypt.

We need oil. People like their modern society built on oil. The Saudis have too much leverage over the American political establishment. The proper way to deal with them would be to nuke Mecca but that won't happen.

I prefer no nuking of anyone or anything. Move off saudi oil. We've been doing it for years, actually. The latest way to get away is electric cars.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by wpietri »

hueving wrote: post #177
wpietri wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't understand protest. Sure, one thing you can do is disrupt the specific people doing something bad. But that's pretty rare. As MLK explains, the point is to create a more general disruption so that everyone has to take notice of an issue they might otherwise ignore: "Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is…

I think you ignored his point or misunderstood. The majority of NYC already is on their side. It would be like MLK advocating for equal rights protests in a majority-black church.

Neither.

NYC residents being hazily "on their side" in a broad political struggle is distinct from actively doing something to oppose the EO. Again, read the Letter.

And no, it wouldn't. Although that is something that he did quite a bit of, given that he got his start as a Baptist preacher, so I'm not sure your analogy works.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by manicdee »

wpietri wrote: post #144
3131s wrote: post #104

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A baller is someone who spends a lot of money, lives lavishly, etc. An eight ball is 3.5 grams of coke, AKA an 1/8 of an ounce.

Are you sure eight ball is related? OED thinks "baller" comes from the wealth of sports figures: http://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2012/06/ballin-for-real/

It sure ain't poor people like me snorting coke off a hooker's butt.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by hueving »

arglebarnacle wrote: post #116
prostoalex wrote: post #64

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Worth noting that 3 collective entities "broke" the strike. 1) Uber drivers by responding to pickups. 2) Uber customers by requesting those pickups. 3) Uber the company by facilitating those pickups. I am not sure we can claim high moral ground and label (3) immoral while staying oblivious to (1) and (2).

Failing to boycott is not the same thing as breaking a strike. If this whole incident has revealed one thing, it's the extent to which the labor movement has lost cultural and moral mindshare. Forty years ago, everyone knew what scabbing was, what it wasn't, and had social/political/moral ideas about it. Now that the labor occupies a much less central place in our society, these common norms and knowledge have been l…

But the people claiming Uber was stabbing don't even understand it. Scabbing is something done by individuals, in this case the Uber drivers.

>these common norms

Common to union supporters.

Also, abusing a unions' power to make a political statement rather than fight for the workers' rights is only weakening the union further. It's now less of a self defense mechanism and more of a mafia-esque bullying mechanism.

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by inverse_pi »

panarky wrote: post #109
srtjstjsj wrote: post #90

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If he disagrees with the President, why should he (and why should anyone want him to) stop speaking into the President's ear?

Collaborating with the administration legitimizes and normalizes their policies of hate. This does far more damage than any marginal benefit from "speaking into the president's ear". I'm sure it's good for Uber to be on Trump's team, but don't pretend you're "standing up for what's right".

So you think by agreeing to be on Trump's advisory board, Uber agrees with the immigration ban? I guess GM, Tesla, Disney, etc are probably pretending to "stand up for what's right" too , right?

Re: Lyft surges to the top 10 on App Store following the “DeleteUber” campaign

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Post by dajohnson89 »

untog wrote: post #143
pfarnsworth wrote: post #129

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Peter Thiel is a direct investor in Lyft. And Thiel donated $1M to Trump and was part of his transition party.

...and Lyft have taken $1m of his money and donated it to the ACLU. The situation is confusing to say the least.

For clarity, it helps to realize that all parties involved are business entities which do whatever it takes to maximize profit. That is the main theme. There is no philosophical or moral consistency to be found. Don't look for something (is x or y pro or anti-z) which isn't there. Uber and Lyft are both for-profit enterprises answerable to pushy shareholders. They both have their hands dirty with Trump. They both keep their hands dirty while trying to appease their liberal customers. Everything else is implementation details.
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