I think it's your fault for choosing to move to China then starting a web business that needs US access. It was very well known what China was like with respect to the web before you did this. It's a bit like moving to the North Pole to start a beach resort then complaining about how cold it is, all the snow, etc.
China is choking the Internet
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#152Actually, I wonder if there's another motive behind the filtering. I reckon by blocking access to certain foreign sites, it is actually giving opportunities to the locals to come up with their own home-brewed version of the service. The government is helping you kill off foreign competition.
Maybe it should be a case of "when there's a big problem, there's a big opportunity."
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
For the most part all of the traffic blocked by the 'great firewall' of China is collateral damage. And that's exactly the problem. The human right violations in China notwithstanding the majority of the people there have roughly the same ability to plan their lives and the future ahead of them as a person in the US would. It's just that instead of relying on laws and judges they rely on corruption to stay out of tro…
Thanks for the insightful posts. I'm just curious as to the "older faction" within the government you pointed out, any idea as to their age, or how long they are likely to remain in power? Do you think there will be a succession of their ideologies or will they be buried together? Sorry if the question sounds kinda narrow, but it seems like a bottleneck to a lot of problems. In my limited knowledge of Chinese politic…
When Mao Zedong died in '76 he left behind a mixed bag of good and bad, he managed to keep China together in spite of serious internal pressures between ethnic groups, but in the process killed millions (some estimates run as high as 80 million people) and left behind a country that was on the brink of economic collapse.
After Deng Xiaoping took over the focus became the economy, less the ideology, which I think was more seen as a way to remain in power, rather than as a real guide to how to run the country. The 'party' became a device rather than a place for true believers.
Over the last 30 years then, slowly but surely Chinese officials have tried to both hold on to their power while staving off a revolution of a dissatisfied populace by giving them access to elements of the 'free market' in a piece-meal fashion.
The real benefit of this gradual release has been that a Soviet style implosion was avoided, the downside is that many of the old power structures remain, and that corruption is, in spite of a serious effort to combat it still a huge problem.
The ruling class in China is limited to a relatively small group of people (as compared to the size of the Chinese population), not unlike the Bush and Kennedy families in the United States, only without the nicety of a public election.
One of the reasons why I think Chinese people in power are so scared of all this communications power their underlings have is that it would allow them to effectively organize a protest that could not be struck down so easily.
Every so many years the 'old guard' dies off and has to be replaced by new people, and - surprise, surprise - these tend to be family members of the previous old guard, who apparently are the only Chinese people that are able to govern this country. It's a dynasty in anything but name.
The nepotism you allude to is alive and well at the highest levels, but below there is slowly a real change of the guard happening, and these people are not satisfied with being relegated to just being 'implementors', they want real power.
And they'll sooner or later get it, but I don't know if that's on a timescale of 20 years or 100's of years.
All that's needed for that to happen is a connection between the potential mob and the higher cadre of the government below they dynasty figures, and the thing that holds it off is gradual economic reform. If they manage to turn China around to the point where the economy is strong enough that a large majority of the Chinese populace is satisfied with their lot it will remain a peaceful transition and those that brokered it will probably remain in power for a long time.
If they mess up, if China gets hit by a severe economic crisis or if they overplay their hand then all bets are off.
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
Actually I came here because my wife missed home, and the business isn't official(that is, isn't registered which because I'm not Chinese takes a lot of time and money and could very well be flat out rejected, have a read of some posts at China Law Blog http://www.chinalawblog.com/ , they cover the details). Basically this is something I've just gone ahead and started, will work my ass off to make work, and if it doe…
My wife is Chinese as well. She manages our China company. We're registered as an IT company. Its not a WOFE, but a full Chinese entity with only Chinese shareholders, which has some benefits. I'm the General Manager of the company. Good luck with your business. I do recommend getting a company in order as soon as you can afford it. For the most part, so long as you are not cheating the tax man, you can get away with…
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#155dublinclontarf, I live in and run a business in China. I solve my problems with a VPN. I find the GFW an annoyance, but not a huge one. It mostly just means my connection is slower when I access certain sites. Do you live in Beijing? I'd be happy to meet up with you if you're in the area.
I live in Beijing, post away
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#156china is a f *ing country
Please clarify, it's the government , not all Chinese people, who can be as friendly and kindly as every faithful human on the earth.
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#157You have millions of rural uneducated people in china that if give the right motivation can destabalize the country. To prevent that destabalization from happening you have to control informational channels and the information being delivered on it, especially when China is going through a transitional period.
At the macro level on of the biggest threats to globalization is the integration of China into the global system.
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I've worked inside various China government departments. In many respects, they have less data on China citizens than the U.S. government has access to on U.S. citizens. If China is on a "1984 path", all I can tell you is the U.S. and UK are ahead of them at the moment in terms of data collection. As to needing to be an insider to get your business going. This is only true for certain types of business. For those typ…
China still takes the lead in censorship.
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I lived in China for years, I recommend this approach....
Be sure to push your DNS through the OpenSSH tunnel too, or they'll see your client's DNS requests. Here is a very short write-up on safe web browsing while on untrusted networks: http://16systems.com/OpenBSD/untrusted.pdf
If you want to be fastidious enough to hide the DNS for un-proxied services, you'll probably also want to have a firewall blocking and logging most outgoing non-tunneled services so you can identify them and configure the clients and proxy appropriately.
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#160If any China-based hackers are interested, I'd consider setting one up for a price on the short side of fair.