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Re: Make America Hate Again

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Post by germinalphrase »

josefresco wrote: post #43
soneca wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"People become sick of this, and vote Trump just to fuck with everyone." This is extremely superficial, arrogant, even offensive to people who voted for Trump. And that is the reason why Trump won IMO. Opposition couldnt understand (not even recognize) the legitimate and valid thoughtful reasons people had to vote for Trump.

Anecdotally, the people I know personally who voted for Trump did so because they "didn't like Hillary" which I translate as "just to fuck with everyone". They knew who they were "supposed" to vote for, and rejected that. They didn't once repeat any of Trumps proposed policies or justify their choice based on public positions. They were given a choice between two flavors of politicians, and picked the one they liked…

As a Midwesterner, I've found many unexpected Trump voters who had similar motivations. A lot of: "well, Hillary isn't going to change anything and things need to change". Not a lot of deep consideration as to what this 'change' will mean (beyond potential reinvestment in infrastructure and "jobs").

I actually think this may be quite a problem for President Trump down the line. These are friendly, community minded people who - generally speaking - overlooked (rather than covertly support, as everyone seems to project) Trump's more outlandish/discriminatory rhetoric. If he comes up short on the community reinvestment and gets mired in a bunch of unseemly scandals, the support of these people will drop off.

Re: Make America Hate Again

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Post by akerro »

_xhok wrote: post #2

I agree with his stance on this, and I think Trump and his latest executive orders are awful, but I also think that at this point, "hatred," "bigotry," and "racism" should be excised from public discourse. These are labels. No one really knows what "hate" means anymore, but because people are emotional, they see the word, recall what they think of Trump, and think, "yeah, that's hateful!" This is a problem for two re…

Completely agree, I would go even further, protesters like Antifa who made most mess in many cities and guys like those: http://www.dailywire.com/news/10664/video-trump-voter-dragge... work hard for Trump to be reelected.

Re: Make America Hate Again

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Post by [deleted] »

selllikesybok wrote: post #66
_xhok wrote: post #2

I agree with his stance on this, and I think Trump and his latest executive orders are awful, but I also think that at this point, "hatred," "bigotry," and "racism" should be excised from public discourse. These are labels. No one really knows what "hate" means anymore, but because people are emotional, they see the word, recall what they think of Trump, and think, "yeah, that's hateful!" This is a problem for two re…

Labels are extemely useful and important. You do not cede ground on framing. Even if all you can do is fight to a standstill, it is better than not fighting. Call it what it is. Everywhere you see it.

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Re: Make America Hate Again

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Post by 0xFFC »

refurb wrote: post #70
0xFFC wrote: post #57

Iranian here, I do completely respect his decision , although I am 100% against his decision. The only point I don't get is how Trump is not same Trump before election, He talked about banning Muslim (I was born in Muslim family , although I am not Muslim and I am atheist , I want to clear things out that I am not against ordinary people.), But he literally banned people from countries which have not participated in…

But he literally banned people from countries which does not participated in any terroristic act (Iran for example) whatsoever. There is a whole Wikipedia page for you to browse.[1] Has Iran directly committed a terrorist act again the United States? No, unless you stretch that definition a bunch. Has it supported/funded terrorism against other Western countries? Absolutely. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and…

First of all, I was talking about people. The USA government (and as far as I can see trump banned based on nationality, not relation to government) did far worse to Iran and most of other countries. In scale, I don't need to provide a link for you. You can find it on the internet. If we want to go this path, (almost) every country in the world should ban the US. From assassinating their leader, changing their government, supporting dictators, and so much more.

Let me remember you, me and my generation is in this deep shit (Islamic Republic) because your government has overthrown an elected democratic government in ~1952.

BTW I don't believe Hezbollah is a terrorist. Because it is not, It does not blow people in Marathon, It does not blow people in a restaurant in France. Yes, they do defend themselves against Israel. So as much as I hate , Hezbollah, they are not terrorist.

Re: Make America Hate Again

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Post by alistairSH »

hueving wrote: post #25
Jonnax wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Calling something/someone racist works on the principle that it's an undesired trait in society. However Trump's supporters either believe that other races/religions are inferior or believe their concerns are more important and ignore it. So what can someone do if they want to combat inequality/injustice/etc? It's not like their opponents are arguing with an open mind.

Or they don't believe they are being racist? Closing borders to some Muslim dominated countries while leaving them open to the largest Muslim countries in the world does give the impression that maybe it's not about being Muslim and it's more about nations.

If that were so, we would have to put Saudi on the ban list. Most of the 9/11 attackers were from Saudi. Saudi has produced some of the world's most notorious terrorists.

Do we suddenly think Saudi society has changed enough that no Saudis are prone to terrorism?

Re: Make America Hate Again

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Post by golemotron »

_xhok wrote: post #2

I agree with his stance on this, and I think Trump and his latest executive orders are awful, but I also think that at this point, "hatred," "bigotry," and "racism" should be excised from public discourse. These are labels. No one really knows what "hate" means anymore, but because people are emotional, they see the word, recall what they think of Trump, and think, "yeah, that's hateful!" This is a problem for two re…

Human beings will never learn: we empower what we attempt to suppress.

Re: Make America Hate Again

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Post by selllikesybok »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #50
metafunctor wrote: post #3

I know what "hate" means. I know what bigotry is, and I know what racism means. Don't you?

No. I'm told I'm racist because I think blacks and whites are interchangeable, and because I don't care about one over the other. I'm told I'm racist for thinking the opposite. I'm told it's racist to discriminate on the basis of race. I'm also told it's racist NOT to do so. The closest principle I can find that predicts who is considered a racist is "republican = racist". Can you provide a clear definition of racism…

I'd start here - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

#1 leads to #3 leads to #2.

But there is a lot more to it. Not a simple concept. There is a lot of reading to do if you'd like to understand more. Can provide some links.

Re: Make America Hate Again

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Post by jbi »

Corristowolf wrote: post #56

Obama was the one who implemented the visa ban for 7 islamic countries. Trump is just continuing the policy and added a LGBTQ clause. The left is blowing this out of proportion, just because it's Trump. They had no problem with airstrikes everyday that Obama was in office. I wish the press could be more objective. Every country has a right to deny access to people from other countries. Same with all the islamic middl…

Could you bring up a source for your first statement?

Obama stopped the refugee programm for Iraqi citizens for 6 months - it never affected people with valid green cards or dual passports.

Re: Make America Hate Again

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Post by selllikesybok »

hueving wrote: post #23
metafunctor wrote: post #3

I know what "hate" means. I know what bigotry is, and I know what racism means. Don't you?

>I know what "hate" means Do you though? If you can't distinguish the difference between fear of the unknown and hatred, then you are fortunate enough to never have experienced hatred. Since everyone likes to compare Trump and Hitler. Hitler hated the Jews, which resulted in genocide . I've talked to several people who support what he did with the ban and it has nothing to do with hating Muslims or immigrants and its…

Between hate and fear?

Sure. The administration hates, some people let it slide because they fear.

Oppose both.

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