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Lyft donates $1M to the ACLU, condemns Trump’s immigration actions

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Re: Lyft donates $1M to the ACLU, condemns Trump’s immigration actions

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Post by battlebot »

magarathea wrote: post #159
awolf wrote: post #25

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Travis Kalanick, Uber's CEO, made public statements indicating that Uber must work with the Trump administration. Four days later Uber stepped up as scrubs while the rest of the New York's taxi service protested Trump's deplorable racist actions. It's hard to pretend this is a coincidence.

I have heard this called racist a few times and at risk of sounding like a pedant or an apologist I respectfully object. Creating abusive policy targeted at people from certain countries seems xenophobic, isolationist, draconian, cruel, stupid. Racism is a far more evil concept than any of those. Abusing and rationalizing the abuse of people because you have made a generalization based on their geography, ideology or…

You write this while we are witnessing the calamity in Western Europe involving these very same people. Islam does not intend to peacefully coexist in the west, it intends to completely wipe out all non-believers. No religion, no political ideology should be allowed to succeed in such an effort. "They" truly intend to end liberal western legal tradition by taking over demographically and using radical elements to terrorize and harangue infidels. I don't see a peaceful solution to this problem. It will be war.

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Post by 551199 »

sctb wrote: post #240
551199 wrote: post #208

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Yes, 'muslim ban' is fake news. Too bad democrats can't think to themselves and have to offshore thinking to MSM who push this fake narrative.

We've already asked you to please stop using HN primarily for this kind of political battle. We have to ban accounts that continue to abuse the site this way.

For all the talk of diversity you can’t get more homogeneous than this site. Anyone with dissent views are pushed out. On top of that it seems to be okay to call Trump and his supporters openly racist, white supremacist, homophobic, anti-semite and what have you. Talk about double standards.

Re: Lyft donates $1M to the ACLU, condemns Trump’s immigration actions

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Post by battlebot »

r00fus wrote: post #211
magarathea wrote: post #159

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I have heard this called racist a few times and at risk of sounding like a pedant or an apologist I respectfully object. Creating abusive policy targeted at people from certain countries seems xenophobic, isolationist, draconian, cruel, stupid. Racism is a far more evil concept than any of those. Abusing and rationalizing the abuse of people because you have made a generalization based on their geography, ideology or…

This is a strawman. People call Trump racist, but this is an unconstitutional action with clearly racial motives. Arguing against this being called "racism" is completely missing the point. What Trump is doing is unamerican and unconstitutional. Arguably an impeachable offense.

There is nothing in the Constitution that supports your assertion. You have been tricked--a radical, violent ideology, wrapped in a religion is out to harm all those who will not submit to it. How many Christians, non-believers, and generally alternative people have to be murdered until you figure this out? Also, Islam is not a race.

And please, un-American? Our self-preservation is now un-American?

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Post by mozumder »

battlebot wrote: post #250
lifeformed wrote: post #232

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It is a Muslim ban. It's just how you do it politically. You start with the goal of banning Muslims, then you see how to implement it in a way that gives you plausible deniability. You couldn't get away with just saying, "No Muslims allowed." That is way too overtly racist and illegal. So you look for existing groupings of countries that align with your goals. You find a list of countries banned on the visa waiver pr…

Until Muslims can be trusted to peacefully coexist in the west and not undermine western legal tradition, I'm fine with a Muslim ban. I feel some tinge of compassion for the non-violent muslims out there, but in an us vs. them world, not one more inch will be given up to this clash of old world vs. new world. If Islam can't find a way to make a peaceful journey in the world, then it has to go. Moderate Muslims need t…

I agree that we should ban whites from this country, since they commit the vast majority of murders here in America. So many innocent lives have been lost to white murderers that own guns.

I mean, if we're going to be bigoted and ascribe negative traits to entire groups based on the actions of a few, shouldn't we do that to protect our safety by ascribing whites as murderers based on them committing the vast majority of the 17,000 murders that happen in our country every year?

America needs to defend themselves against whites, who are placing carnage into our peaceful country with their murderous ways.

If whites can't find a way to make peaceful journey in the world, then they have to go. Moderate whites need to step up and completely denounce their violent sub-groups. COMPLETELY DENOUNCE -- not quietly bolster or nod knowingly to.

(this is how bigotry works, and remember, it can go both ways. Do you want this kind of bigotry to happen to whites? I get that it's hard to not be bigoted when it's so much easier mentally to associate a race with the actions of a few, but that's what it takes to be smart- you have to actually think instead of being mentally lazy)

Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/385/

Re: Lyft donates $1M to the ACLU, condemns Trump’s immigration actions

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Post by praneshp »

gumby wrote: post #57
banku_brougham wrote: post #21

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could you post the account setup page please? i've never used lyft, i assume its basically the same service?

Doesn't operate in as many locations, but pretty much the same, and often the same drivers. Informally it appears drivers I've talked to have preferred Lyft (have asked even when they were driving for Uber). Most of course demur, but I've never heard a driver say something nice about Uber while I have had several praise Lyft.

Just to give you a counter point, I was in India recently, and most drivers I spoke to loved Uber. That could be a combination of the alternative sucking, general employer treatment of employees not being great, etc.

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Post by jakeogh »

lifeformed wrote: post #232
jakeogh wrote: post #161

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Well, it's not a "Muslim Ban" for starters. Look up the countries with the highest Muslim populations, then cross ref to the list of countries that have a 90 day (to start) ban.

It is a Muslim ban. It's just how you do it politically. You start with the goal of banning Muslims, then you see how to implement it in a way that gives you plausible deniability. You couldn't get away with just saying, "No Muslims allowed." That is way too overtly racist and illegal. So you look for existing groupings of countries that align with your goals. You find a list of countries banned on the visa waiver pr…

http://imgur.com/a/HEOWO

By your logic, the ban will not be temporary. Correct?

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Post by imaginenore »

dang wrote: post #244
imaginenore wrote: post #191

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That was not a prepared list of talking points. I just searched for the fresh polls that support my argument. Of course, I understand your desire to censor me, since you don't have an actual counter-argument.

I apologize for misinterpreting your list. The rest of your comment is troll talk. If you conduct religious flamewar here again, we will ban you, as we would anyone.

You should really define what you mean by "religious flamewar", because from what I see, you allow the other side of the "war" to comment, but censor me.

And labeling what I write "troll talk" is ridiculous. I'm not trolling anybody. My comment was well written, I had citations to prove my points. Again, you don't have a counterargument, so you reduce yourself to name calling and censorship.

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Post by nerfhammer »

EthanHeilman wrote: post #247
nerfhammer wrote: post #192

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If you mean the third option was to disable all service from JFK? Though I don't think the regular taxi companies or Lyft did that either.

That is exactly what the Taxi strike did. >"NO PICKUPS @ JFK Airport 6 PM to 7 PM today," the union wrote in a subsequent tweet that was retweeted over 10,000 times. "Drivers stand in solidarity with thousands protesting inhumane & unconstitutional #MuslimBan." https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-scene-at-jfk-as-taxi-d... The objection is not that Uber didn't join the strike but that Uber reduced their prices to un…

> That is exactly what the Taxi strike did.

No it's not. The union encouraging != the taxi companies somehow forcing it.

The union and the taxi companies are not the same thing.

> Uber reduced their prices to undermine the strike

Uber reducing prices to normal levels means fewer drivers anyway! Fewer rides! This makes no sense! Why would Uber even bother with some Machiavellian scheme to get a hundred or two extra rides? Makes no sense!

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Post by pfarnsworth »

AnOscelot wrote: post #245
pfarnsworth wrote: post #241

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Evidence? Trump pledged all of those since the beginning, before Bannon was involved in his campaign. "Easily influenced?" You're making shit up now. I've never seen anyone so ridiculous stubborn in such a position of power. Any evidence he's "easily influenced" besides your opinions? He hasn't even given up his Twitter account for God's sake and he doesn't listen to any of his advisors to shut up, except for the day…

The ADL disagrees with you regarding Bannon. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/11... As for who wrote the executive orders: " Inside the West Wing, it is almost impossible for some aides to know what is in the executive orders, staffers say. They have been written by Stephen Miller, Trump’s senior White House adviser for policy, and Steve Bannon, Trump’s chief strategist, according to people f…

Think about it for even a second. Your story makes no sense. Is he an anti-semite or is he not? If he is, then why would Ivanka and Jared Kushner, both devout Jews, allow Bannon to join the campaign? They are Jews, how could they tolerate having him next to them?

Nothing you suggest makes sense. The only answer that makes logical sense is that he's not an anti-semite. None of your conspiracist theories make any sense.

But then again, if you think Bush was behind the 9-11 bombings, then there's nothing really to discuss either.

Re: Lyft donates $1M to the ACLU, condemns Trump’s immigration actions

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Post by staticassertion »

staticassertion wrote: post #11
koolba wrote: post #6

Why is a company that is losing money and having what's left of their lunch taken by a gorilla of a competitor (Uber) throwing away $1M like this? If I were an investor in Lyft I'd sue them.

You can easily see this as marketing. I'm certainly more inclined to use their services now.

A little less than half, assuming the popular vote is representative. And considering that the top 3 largest cities were overwhelmingly pro-Hillary it seems very sensible, given that I assume that's who their target consumer is.
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