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DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by ciconia »

I was a foreign student at UCSD during 9/11 and have witnessed the hysterical reaction of the Bush administration, the establishment of the DHS and the TSA and their ridiculous security theatre.

At a time when the world is more interconnected than ever, and technology offers "the world at your fingertips", these bigots want to shut us in and make everybody hate each other.

Personally, it is heartbreaking to see the self-proclaimed "land of the free, home of the brave", the nation that once promised to be a sanctuary to the "huddled masses yearning to breathe free", in the grip of a paranoid meltdown.

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by grzm »

jquery wrote: post #69
gizmo686 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>but I don't remember that being a scandal. I do remember that being a scandal. To your main point, a story has been going around that a court has put a stay on the executive order. If true, this would mean that enforcing the order is currently illegal; and doing so could be called a "coup" by the executive branch (although I don't think this technically qualifies as a coup). Having said that, my understanding is tha…

I don't remember a call to assassination being the top upvoted comment on HN. Maybe you can link me to the comment thread where HN was breathless about the need for assassination or civil war.

What are you referring to? I don't see any such words in either the top comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13512998) or your parent (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13513065). Perhaps you're equating coup d'état with assassination? If so, that's incorrect: coup d'état is just an illegitimate overthrow. Am I misunderstanding your post?

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by colechristensen »

sago wrote: post #51
aerovistae wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, I will point out that the article linked to here says they will ALSO continue to comply with all judicial orders. Read carefully. Really, the entire statement isn't that exciting, it just says "Agency will continue to follow legal structure of government as all agencies do." Mostly it's just an attempt to reassure people that things aren't as out of hand as they seem.

First I acknowledge I don't know what I'm talking about. But. It seems to me the last and the first paragraph are saying different things. How can DHS be implementing ALL of the executive action, when part of it has been stayed by the court? Assuming this statement is, as it says, a response to the litigation (i.e. the challenge which led the court to stay part of the executive action), I don't see how you can read t…

The stay was effective only for those (essentially) who had already begun travelling to the US when the executive order was signed. So they can't deport the people they detained in the airports. This isn't anything but a minor detail and it's reasonable for the DHS to consider itself complying with the court order and implementing all of the executive action.

It's just a minor difference in the people effected.

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by downandout »

Tulip68 wrote: post #22

This is not hyperbole: if this statement is accurate, a coup d'etat is in progress in which our illegitimate "President" is overriding the authority of the judicial branch and it is time for every American who still believes in our constitution and our fundamental values of equality, diversity and multiculturalism take a stand and along with every congressman, every law enforcement officer, reporter, corporation, etc…

>...a coup d'etat is in progress in which our illegitimate "President..."

Well there's a rational statement. We had an election. Trump won it, under the rules which have been in place for centuries. Clinton knew what the rules were as well, and she didn't play the game as well. Another country attempted to influence public opinion during the election, which has also been going on for centuries.

I assume your "illegitimate President" comment is due to the leaked emails. If the Hillary/DNC emails had all been about how they were going to work hard for America, then the leak wouldn't have affected her and would have actually helped her. Instead, they were about unethical and illegal activity aimed at ensuring she won the election. If you engage in that sort of thing as a Presidential candidate/political party executive, you should get caught and you should lose.

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by douche »

cmurf wrote: post #86
gotchange wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ball now is in the Judiciary's court. If this dept goes rogue, they should intervene and make some arrests for people violating the court orders and laws. This looks day after day like a classical far-right takeover of the govt and people in the US should be really alarmed by these developments.

Alarmed also at their own naivety: Central Park Five, Birtherism, Steve Bannon the president's chief strategist and senior counsel and white nationalist former operator of Breitbart.com. The writing has been on the wall the whole time. Checkout the other executive order, the shakeup of the national security council which now has two conspiracy theorists on it (three if the president is included). Don't count on Congr…

Raising shibolleths about attacks on minorities is really not an effective strategies

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by smsm42 »

vivekd wrote: post #79
org3432 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of the article is clearly to show they're not complying with the court order.

There is no final court order yet, there is a temporary stay and this order merely prohibits deportation, not the detention or turning away of immigrants coming in. This order is just one small step in what is going to be a long hard case. It'll probably end up going to the Supreme court, the Supreme court has two Obama appointees and with justice Scalia passed away there is a chance it could go in the ACLU's favor.…

It's not even given Trump's admin would actually defend the position of turning away green card holders. So far there was only emergency stay which AFAIK does not even require participation from the other side, so we have no idea what position or argument the administration has on the case. The judge (quite correctly) decided to issue an order that causes least harm (not deporting anyone, but not ruling any broader) so I think we'd know on Monday more about admin's position on this.

ACLU of course would argue the whole order is invalid, but I don't think this part would be easy to prove and not likely to get emergency order broad enough, and it probably would take more than 60 days to go through which means challenging this particular order in its entirety may be moot by the time it gets to any sort of trial. If the subsequent policy will match it though it still may have a point.

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by kyledrake »

skuhn wrote: post #11
gizmo385 wrote: post #7

"Yesterday, less than one percent of the more than 325,000 international air travelers who arrive every day were inconvenienced while enhanced security measures were implemented." I guess getting detained and denied entry into the country is "enhanced security measures"?

Interesting that they finally gave a scope to the people impacted. 3200 people doesn't seem like chump change to me. And I guess deporting people is the most enhanced security measure of them all. If we could deport everyone that lives in the US, I bet security would be pretty tight.

up to 3200 per day.

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by mdsfwrz »

mdsfwrz wrote: post #100
Tulip68 wrote: post #22

This is not hyperbole: if this statement is accurate, a coup d'etat is in progress in which our illegitimate "President" is overriding the authority of the judicial branch and it is time for every American who still believes in our constitution and our fundamental values of equality, diversity and multiculturalism take a stand and along with every congressman, every law enforcement officer, reporter, corporation, etc…

There is wide misconception about what the court stays were on-- they actually prevented deportation, not detention. DHS did not say they were going to deport people against the court orders.

Source: https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/825593794875813888

And in Mass (and Mass only) now they are not allowed to detain: https://twitter.com/sdooling/status/825602397007409153

Although some are reporting otherwise: http://nypost.com/2017/01/29/customs-agents-ignore-judge-enf... It seems they are mistaken

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by XiaomiFan »

peterwwillis wrote: post #94
Tulip68 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not absolutely not hyperbole. And, based on your username, I will venture a guess that you are privileged white male who is fortunate enough to not (for now) be among Drumpf's scapegoats. I challenge you to speak to some of the thousands of Muslims, refugees, undocumented migrants and others whose very existence is threatened by this fascist "President" and see if they think I'm engaging in hyperbole. Do. Not.…

Is this a troll?

Don't waste your time with people like this. Do not acknowledge them.

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by Tulip68 »

tn13 wrote: post #78
Tulip68 wrote: post #22

This is not hyperbole: if this statement is accurate, a coup d'etat is in progress in which our illegitimate "President" is overriding the authority of the judicial branch and it is time for every American who still believes in our constitution and our fundamental values of equality, diversity and multiculturalism take a stand and along with every congressman, every law enforcement officer, reporter, corporation, etc…

> put aside petty partisan bickering and remove this fascist con-man from office immediately. All I see is the fascist partisan bickering in your post. Trump has legitimately won the election and is doing what his powers let him do. He was clear about Muslim ban before election too and people voted for him. I think we can make better arguments as to why his moronic executive orders hurt USA in a major way and perhaps…

He lost the popular vote by millions of votes. The majority of America has made it very clear they do not want this fascist to be their President and the only reason he got through is because of Russian hacking our election to try and throw our country into chaos (and boy have they ever succeeded).

And don't you dare lecture me about getting "angry" over this. Why don't you learn some empathy and consider how you'd feel if you were among the millions of Muslims, refugees and undocumented migrants whose very existence is at stake thanks to some angry old white people who are so afraid of brown people coming into the country they thought they'd teach us all a lesson by voting for a failed businessman con-artist turned neo-fascist politician for President.

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