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DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by icelancer »

closeparen wrote: post #42
jquery wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Congress has given the Executive broad powers to control immigration from countries. Please explain how a coup d'etat is happening. Obama bombed many of these countries and killed citizens of them, but I don't remember that being a scandal.

A federal judge issued an injunction against enforcement of part of the executive order. In a release titled "Response To Recent Litigation," DHS announced that it would continue to enforce the order. That sounds for all the world like the executive branch rejecting the authority of the judicial branch.

Yes, because the stay is not permanent. It only applies to those in transit and those affected now.

The statement then goes on to say:

"The Department of Homeland Security will comply with judicial orders..."

So no, the executive branch is not rejecting the authority of the judicial branch.

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by Tulip68 »

douche wrote: post #52
matthewmacleod wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's not that interesting. Context obviously matters, and I am baffled that so many people are pretending not to understand that.

What the hell is this context that you speak of? Defending the country's borders? Defending native industry? Preventing immigration from groups statistically likely to commit terrorist acts?

The statistics on these people committing terrorism is literally zero. Not a single act of terrorism within the United States has been committed by a single person from any of these targeted countries. The statistics are unambiguously clear that you are statistically far more at risk from some white Christian guy who's obsessed with abortion than from some frightened refugee just looking for a roof over her/his head who happens to be of the Muslim faith.

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by Kinnard »

sago wrote: post #51
aerovistae wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, I will point out that the article linked to here says they will ALSO continue to comply with all judicial orders. Read carefully. Really, the entire statement isn't that exciting, it just says "Agency will continue to follow legal structure of government as all agencies do." Mostly it's just an attempt to reassure people that things aren't as out of hand as they seem.

First I acknowledge I don't know what I'm talking about. But. It seems to me the last and the first paragraph are saying different things. How can DHS be implementing ALL of the executive action, when part of it has been stayed by the court? Assuming this statement is, as it says, a response to the litigation (i.e. the challenge which led the court to stay part of the executive action), I don't see how you can read t…

It's doublespeak: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by peterwwillis »

Tulip68 wrote: post #74
peterwwillis wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That did, in fact, include hyperbole. You are excited and over estimating the danger, and misstating facts such as his legitimacy. Those kind of things will cloud the discussion and prevent support from the kind of groups you need to defeat him. The smart move would be to collect information and watch him fail, then move for impeachment. Then start dealing with Pence.....

It is not absolutely not hyperbole. And, based on your username, I will venture a guess that you are privileged white male who is fortunate enough to not (for now) be among Drumpf's scapegoats. I challenge you to speak to some of the thousands of Muslims, refugees, undocumented migrants and others whose very existence is threatened by this fascist "President" and see if they think I'm engaging in hyperbole. Do. Not.…

Is this a troll?

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by nl »

I think this story is the most important thing I've read so far:

Friday night, DHS arrived at the legal interpretation that the executive order restrictions applying to seven countries [..] did not apply [..] to [] green card holders.

The White House overruled that guidance overnight, according to officials familiar with the rollout. That order came from the President's inner circle, led by Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon. .....

Bannon wanted turmoil and condemnation. He wanted this executive order to get as much publicity as possible.[..] He thinks this will be a PR win.

Liberals think the same thing. All the protests, the court judgments, the press coverage: this is something that will make middle America understand just what Trump is really all about. And once they figure it out, they'll turn on him.

[..] After a week of skirmishes, this is finally a hill that both sides are willing to die for. Who's going to win?

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/01/trumps-immigra...

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by icelancer »

frisco wrote: post #70
myrandomcomment wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump is an asshole however he is our legitimate president no mater how much some of us do not like it. He won the election as the rules require. Period. Let's not forget that. The office should be respected no matter what asswipe he is in it. If you disagree with his policies then call your congressman, et. al. Protest by all means. That is your right as an American. He was elected because a large majority of people…

The parent is not saying Trump is not the legitimate president. He's saying that the US government has three branches (congress, executive, judiciary) which provide checks and balances and Trump is ordering an executive agency to ignore that, and the agency is following this order. Characterizing this as a coup is not totally inaccurate.

>Trump is ordering an executive agency to ignore that

>"The Department of Homeland Security will comply with judicial orders..."

Yeah, not seeing it. The stay is temporary, not permanent. He is allowed to continue enforcing his EO.

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by aerovistae »

skuhn wrote: post #44
aerovistae wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, I will point out that the article linked to here says they will ALSO continue to comply with all judicial orders. Read carefully. Really, the entire statement isn't that exciting, it just says "Agency will continue to follow legal structure of government as all agencies do." Mostly it's just an attempt to reassure people that things aren't as out of hand as they seem.

If the point is actually to reassure the reader, the tone is completely off. I don't find seething rage to be very reassuring.

I agree completely.

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by skuhn »

timClicks wrote: post #61
skuhn wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the point is actually to reassure the reader, the tone is completely off. I don't find seething rage to be very reassuring.

You left out contempt and complete lack of sympathy. People die without access to asylum.

No one has the right to demand entry!

(especially not people we gave green cards and visas to after subjecting them to years, or decades, of bureacracy and vetting)

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by icelancer »

pduszak wrote: post #67
myrandomcomment wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump is an asshole however he is our legitimate president no mater how much some of us do not like it. He won the election as the rules require. Period. Let's not forget that. The office should be respected no matter what asswipe he is in it. If you disagree with his policies then call your congressman, et. al. Protest by all means. That is your right as an American. He was elected because a large majority of people…

And his point is that the president doesn't have the right to override judicial ruling? He's a president, not an emperor.

His point is incorrect. DHS in the linked statement in this very post says they will comply with judicial rulings.

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by mdsfwrz »

Tulip68 wrote: post #22

This is not hyperbole: if this statement is accurate, a coup d'etat is in progress in which our illegitimate "President" is overriding the authority of the judicial branch and it is time for every American who still believes in our constitution and our fundamental values of equality, diversity and multiculturalism take a stand and along with every congressman, every law enforcement officer, reporter, corporation, etc…

There is wide misconception about what the court stays were on-- they actually prevented deportation, not detention. DHS did not say they were going to deport people against the court orders.
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