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DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by sago »

aerovistae wrote: post #33
Tulip68 wrote: post #22

This is not hyperbole: if this statement is accurate, a coup d'etat is in progress in which our illegitimate "President" is overriding the authority of the judicial branch and it is time for every American who still believes in our constitution and our fundamental values of equality, diversity and multiculturalism take a stand and along with every congressman, every law enforcement officer, reporter, corporation, etc…

Again, I will point out that the article linked to here says they will ALSO continue to comply with all judicial orders. Read carefully. Really, the entire statement isn't that exciting, it just says "Agency will continue to follow legal structure of government as all agencies do." Mostly it's just an attempt to reassure people that things aren't as out of hand as they seem.

First I acknowledge I don't know what I'm talking about. But.

It seems to me the last and the first paragraph are saying different things.

How can DHS be implementing ALL of the executive action, when part of it has been stayed by the court?

Assuming this statement is, as it says, a response to the litigation (i.e. the challenge which led the court to stay part of the executive action), I don't see how you can read that first paragraph as anything but a denial that they will abide by the partial stay.

Is there any evidence to suggest that they are following the court order and not enforcing that part of the action? The (admittedly hopelessly unreliable) twittering from human rights lawyers involved, seems to suggest they are not.

That last paragraph reads like a tack on to me.

But we're all trying to parse the words and I suspect the statement will be irrelevant, and what happens on the ground will decide how this goes forwards.

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by douche »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #45
douche wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its interesting how overreach in executive orders on one side is greeted as business as usual, versus being viewed as grounds for secession when the shoe is on the other foot

No, it's not that interesting. Context obviously matters, and I am baffled that so many people are pretending not to understand that.

What the hell is this context that you speak of? Defending the country's borders? Defending native industry? Preventing immigration from groups statistically likely to commit terrorist acts?

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by skuhn »

smsm42 wrote: post #43
skuhn wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An approximation of "less than one percent of the more than 325,000", which I would add is an extremely vague statement on their part.

"less than" doesn't mean "approximately that number".

The language is obviously chosen to minimize (and trivialize) the number of people. If it were 1600 people, don't you think they would say less than 0.5%? If it were 3 people, don't you think they would say that?

Anyway, read it however you like. I choose to read it as the maximum number of people that could fit within their language, because I think it was written to be purposefully ambiguous.

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by ciconia »

clhodapp wrote: post #20

> President Trump’s Executive Order affects a minor portion of international travelers, and is a first step towards reestablishing control over America's borders and national security. Whelp (editing out the explicative here), this makes it the official position of the DHS that the already-over-the-top measures they have been taking in recent years are not sufficient to establish "control over America's borders and n…

Yep, kinda makes you wonder what the hell they've been doing up until now...

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by peterwwillis »

Tulip68 wrote: post #22

This is not hyperbole: if this statement is accurate, a coup d'etat is in progress in which our illegitimate "President" is overriding the authority of the judicial branch and it is time for every American who still believes in our constitution and our fundamental values of equality, diversity and multiculturalism take a stand and along with every congressman, every law enforcement officer, reporter, corporation, etc…

That did, in fact, include hyperbole.

You are excited and over estimating the danger, and misstating facts such as his legitimacy. Those kind of things will cloud the discussion and prevent support from the kind of groups you need to defeat him.

The smart move would be to collect information and watch him fail, then move for impeachment. Then start dealing with Pence.....

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by anarazel »

That doesn't really seem to say much. The stay was only for in-transit passengers, it said naught about denying boarding. And the statement said they'll comply with court orders.

As much as I detest what's happening - what else would they say?

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by kchoudhu »

jrockway wrote: post #9
arthulia wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no it's not code. They are literally saying that.

You appear to be correct. Wow. I just saw this on my G+ stream: https://plus.google.com/+YonatanZunger/posts/T72eVRRHv39 Also wow.

Oh my. That said (and this is not casting any aspersion on Yonathan) is there someone closer to governance/immigration law with the same take?

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by timClicks »

aerovistae wrote: post #33
Tulip68 wrote: post #22

This is not hyperbole: if this statement is accurate, a coup d'etat is in progress in which our illegitimate "President" is overriding the authority of the judicial branch and it is time for every American who still believes in our constitution and our fundamental values of equality, diversity and multiculturalism take a stand and along with every congressman, every law enforcement officer, reporter, corporation, etc…

Again, I will point out that the article linked to here says they will ALSO continue to comply with all judicial orders. Read carefully. Really, the entire statement isn't that exciting, it just says "Agency will continue to follow legal structure of government as all agencies do." Mostly it's just an attempt to reassure people that things aren't as out of hand as they seem.

The tone of the release isn't neutral though.

Phrases like "first step" are anticipating stronger measures to come. The introduction makes it clear that the agency believes that these measures will in fact reduce security. I don't have enough information to refute that claim, but I don't believe it either.

As an outsider to the USA, I would have liked to have seen more balance. For instance, it would have been reassuring to hear that DHS had taken legal advice on its obligations and how best to implement them without rushing in.

I suspect that the release is written for individuals near to Cabinet who want to know that officials are complying without question. Does not bode well.

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by myrandomcomment »

Tulip68 wrote: post #22

This is not hyperbole: if this statement is accurate, a coup d'etat is in progress in which our illegitimate "President" is overriding the authority of the judicial branch and it is time for every American who still believes in our constitution and our fundamental values of equality, diversity and multiculturalism take a stand and along with every congressman, every law enforcement officer, reporter, corporation, etc…

Trump is an asshole however he is our legitimate president no mater how much some of us do not like it. He won the election as the rules require. Period. Let's not forget that. The office should be respected no matter what asswipe he is in it. If you disagree with his policies then call your congressman, et. al. Protest by all means. That is your right as an American. He was elected because a large majority of people in individual states did not follow thought with their duty to vote pure and simple. Let's make sure that those voices are heard and we do not make this same mistake in 4 years. The man scares the hell out of me but I am not going to say he is not the ligitimate president because he won and I do not like him. It is our duty to protest and make our voice heard if we disagree. It would have been great if we did the before the election but your fellow Americans did not and we have to live with that. Please do not give me any bulsshit about the popular vote because that is not they way the rules work. If you do not like that then do something about it. He, president trump is the president no matter how much it sucks.
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